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Roulette A Challenge 2 - for Turbo M

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Dec 30, 2016.

  1. Rona

    Rona Active Member

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    He seems like someone who wants to capitalize on the good name of the old Turbogenius.
     
  2. Fossell

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    o_O haha!
     
  3. Fossell

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    I'd say the wheel needs NOT be bias to start with.
     
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    MrJ style
     
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    Nice to see the fundamentals of the method being explored further, but who can realistically wait for this many spins in a session and you seem to be presuming you know how he's playing the method. I wouldn't say its being limited to the last 38 spins.
     
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  6. mr j

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    (lol)....Its Turbo but I cant blame him for posting less. It just aint worth the effort (imo).

    Ken
     
  7. Fossell

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    I suppose a form of gearing it to the play method that this thread is all about, but not sure if it will work in the graph in this form.
    For instance; displaying results only for any number that has formed a repeat if it has shown at least once within the last 18 spins.
    eg. So if #1 shows and it has already shown within the last 18 spins, count that and maybe the gap and how many times it has occurred.
    I probably need to think about what Im asking and come back to you. Not a lot of free time at the mo!
     

  8. Fossell

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    How did you implement the method in your test? Amount of numbers bet on. What was the progression and was it reset at any point. What was the cycle count before/if resetting etc?
     
  9. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Why on earth would a random wheel be better? What physics would enable it to work on a random wheel?

    I can easily prove that a random wheel will lose at a much higher rate than a biased one.
    It was simple hit frequency distribution betting on a 38 number rolling horizon. If a number hit, then on the next spin the sim began betting one unit on the number. As soon as a number hit twice the sim would bet two units on the number, etc...

    I've tried a zillion different combinations and horizons over time. Some work better than others. Over all the higher the hit frequency over a longer horizon is more effective than a shorter horizon. This isn't a very efficient way to exploit a wheel. However, it is much better than betting cold numbers on a live wheel.
     
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  10. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    What Turbo has suggested is vastly superior to betting cold numbers on a live wheel. It is one of the better systems on this forum. Where it all goes wrong is when it is suggested that it can win consistently on a random wheel.
     
  11. Fossell

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    But this thread wasnt about the physics of a wheel. The principals are based on random and the patterns it presents. If the wheel is biased then it's no longer random. And that presents different results and becomes a different topic.
     
  12. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Fossell,

    Random patterns are just that, random. Claiming that they are somehow predictable is an oxymoron. Consequently, you can't beat a "random wheel" in the long term. If you disagree, then perhaps you can explain the physics at work that would enable you to win on such a wheel.
     
  13. TurboGenius

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    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/flashback-to-the-60s.5775/

    Just for the record - this is completely random and the video shows how predictable it is. Start at 21 minutes if you'd like.

    That's kind of funny I suppose.
    I guess that I could log in there and make a post if that would make you happy lol.
    It's me. I must be a legend by now if you think that my "appearing" here isn't possibly as real as the me from GG.
    Maybe that's a compliment, who knows.
     
  14. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Turbo,

    Why on earth would you try to search for and exploit patterns in randomness instead of trying to exploit a nonrandom wheel?

    Trying to beat random verses trying to beat non random. One is a fool's folly, the other one actually makes sense.

    By the way, there's nothing in that video that will enable you to exploit the random game of roulette.

    Guys,

    Knowledge of the statistics and binomial distribution doesn't enable you to side step the odds since the house payout is short.
     
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  15. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    It's funny that the people who should know better bring up the same things but don't really think.

    You agreed that you won't get 38 different numbers in 38 spins. Proof that there will be repeaters.
    You agreed that thanks to random the "chart" won't stay level as it rises - numbers will appear above expected, other below - others as expected.
    You have to agree (common sense) that avoiding placing bets on numbers that don't show means the math changes.
    There's a bunch of other things I can list as well - everyone will agree - and at the same time you'll still say it's "impossible" to beat the game.
    Each spin is independent - correct
    You can't know what the next spin is going to be - correct. (there are so many more).
    We can rattle off the correctness all day - we agree. Now take what you "know" and find the answers like I did.
    Or just keep with your belief that it's impossible, that's your choice.

    Wrong of course.
    The "blips" are completely random - independent from one another, no one can say when the next one will come in - or if it even will. Yet once properly charted - you can set a watch by it's accuracy. THINK !
     
  16. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Turbo,

    Would you like to see a run of 30k rng spins using your method? You won't like the results.
     
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    I coded a way that bets on the numbers that has hit exactly two times from the previous cycle of 37 spins, but only once they show up. So generally, I'm aiming for a fourth hit. I've done a few of these and the results are similiar. It's very close to brake even, flat.

    I took 222 spins from Duisburg each day from the same table, so this simulates like if I were to go to the casino and play 222 spins each visit for 46 straght days.

    Here it is, session by session. Note only one session of 222 spins never gave any profit:

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    Maybe a little bit more detail on the progression, would be nice. I thought it was 5-25-100 at first by raising on a number that hits but I put that on ice from time being.
     
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  18. johndexter

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    Hi Caleb ,the rx code is posted here,its getting like a jigsaw puzzle when you realise the last piece is missing,I don't think it will be solved ,like Chinese whisper lol.........great thread turbo!
     
  19. Robin Ouchterlony

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    LOL! hehe
     
  20. celescliff

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    Here is another one but now I bet on the numbers that hit four times, aiming generally for a fifth hit. This batch of spins are RNG spins, since I don't have many actuals. Maybe you, Caleb can provide me some.

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