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This pretty much ices the cake NATHAN/KENTRY is getting more obvious by the day....SOOPOOP secret moderating powers are clearly limited!! I like how SOOPOOP refers that IF HE WAS a moderator..everybody with half a brain knows SOOPOOP!!

 

LarryS., here is a stupid analogy to chew on: WoV is a house made of sticks and straw, and you're the Big Bad Wolf.

The Great and Powerful Wizard of Odds got rid of you because of your relentless critiques: it got tiresome and failed his cost/benefit analysis.

You see, only card carrying Mouseketeers can hang out in the Mickey Mouse Club.

Rats and cats are tossed out of the nest.

 

Same with Patrick....a frank discussion of his methods and alternatives threatened what turns out to be a house of cards.

However I dont think wov was on a faulty foundation that could be threatened. It was just run by an insecure socially backward person.

 

So let me get this straight, a guy who barfs up chicken nuggets all over the place in public, writes stories about the joys of the indecently exposing their genitals to passing motorists and thinks that making the best of Craigslist is an achievement on par with the discovery of penicillin has the audacity to call someone else socially backward, maladjusted, retarded and any other number of hypocritical names? Priceless!

 

Link me to the precise post in the, "Discussion of the Suspension List," where you want me to start reading.

 

Mission I believe your administrative and imaginative writing skills were sorely lacking in your response to BWC. Or have you and Mickey had a few too many tonight ?

 

BWC is worth neither my time nor my imagination.

 

And yet you've answered to me and spent considerable time replying to me many times previously. Suspect I struck a nerve and/or you're upset that you're not having much luck convincing the admin to remove me. Just chalk the latter up as another in your long list of failures.

 

So Mission, what are your thoughts about the whole Nathan flap?

Troll?

Clever like a fox?

Dumber than a box of rocks?

My vote:



And yet, perhaps someday a kernel of corn / wisdom can be found in one of the turds she drops on the forum.

Gotta hope for the best, right?

 

NATHAN/KENTRY/AIMEE is in my opinion a clear cut troll, but somewhat entertaining at times and gets everybody fired up ( WON) even you MR WOLF

 

click on the link I [provided, and the first [post is the post that got me nuked for "we all know why" reason, a post or 2 later by wiz

 

I provided a link, and just click through the pages and you see your false assumption.
95 percent of my posts were on non suspension list threads.

I had compelling critiques. I presented them well. Cogent well thought out. And on the wrong side of the issues.
Presenting the idea that we are customers and wov is a business....and it was a customer/business relationship rather than a guest in mikes living room relationship.....was not relentless..but it may have been compelling enough to make him uncomfortable. Certainly worth a debate, a conversation, as i stated it without shouting cursing etc.

I never saw that(the comfort of wiz) as a rule that had to be adhered to.

"you are like the guy that sets his house on fire and then complains that its to expensive to pay for all the water damage after the fire dept leaves."

and the above got me a 30 day suspension...for addressing manboy when he asked for money, and a reason why you dont give, along with his admission that he makes bad business decisions.

It was a humerous analogy. I guess I could have said instead"who the heck are you to ask for money after making bad business decisions and treating your customers poorly..how about instead making better business decisions and treat your customers better."

Again that would be harsher but still breaking no rules.......I rather sweeten it it the humorous analogy. Just because someone feels uncomfortable ...it does not mean it was an insult that made them uncomfortable or embarrassed.

Again being on the wrong side of an issue.....nothing having to do with being "relentless".....just cogent, and well thought out.

You even comment after the 30day suspension was administered.....why was there a suspension....question was asked, question answered.

but its the wrong side of an issue. There is punishment for content....even content within the rules

KJ was also nuked for content. If he said what QFIT wanted him to say...then he would not have been banned at the time.

 

Larry, you have referenced me twice now. Am I allowed to comment without you jumping on me screaming "me, me, me"?

Specific to my situation, it was Qfit who trolled me to several sites requesting or demanding or attempting to use his influence to get several different site owners to ban or silence me because I had an unfavorable opinion of him, his site and the phony fraud members that he allowed to take control (to this day) of his site and make many, many absolutely ridiculous and untrue claims that mislead, damaged and negatively influenced other members, especially newer, younger players.

Mike's role was only that he sided with Qfit and banned me just as Qfit demanded or requested. And Mike did so without really knowing what the whole situation was about. Despite my displeasure with Mike over his initial handling of the situation, I can confidently say if he really knew what the situation was about, a guy who was just shoveling complete BS, he too would have determined the guy was full of BS. Blackjack author and mathematician Don Schlesinger has since completely debunked all of this fraud guys claims (just as I and two other professional players attempted to do 2 years ago). I am confident that Mike, being a respected 'math guy' would have come to the same conclusion, had he bothered to look into what this 'feud' that Qfit brought to WoV was really about.

BUT....Mike didn't bother to really find out what it was all about. He was just so excited to have Qfit posting on WoV, after a 5 year absence, that Mike overlooked that the only reason Qfit showed up was to "use" Mike to ban or silence me, just as he tried to do on other sites. BTW, of 3 different sites that Qfit requested/demanded and attempted to use his influence to have me silenced, only Michael Shackleford, went along with it. The other site owners/administrators told Qfit to pound sand and refused to get involved.....just as Shackleford should have done.

What is really disturbing is that now a year later (a year this week actually), Shackleford continues to be unwilling to accept what is painfully obvious to everyone else. Qfit's has not contributed one damn thing since he achieved his goal of having me silence. He has once again faded away, ignoring WoV just as he did for 5 years prior to this incident. There can be no other conclusion than that Qfit never intended to contribute anything at WoV, just 'used' Shackleford to silence negative opinions of him and his site.

My point is that there are some things to be critical of Shackleford about different things on his site and I guess some personal short-comings if you want to go there. And you Larry, have done a good job of highlighting some of these issues and some mistreatments of some members. But in this case, with the benefit of a little time, while there is no doubt Shackleford handled the situation poorly....make that horribly, I don't see any "intent" to do so. Just bad judgment, probably influenced by a school boy type crush of someone he admired and looked up to.

In my mind, the really weak and disturbing part, is Michael Shackleford's inability or unwillingness to address the situation now a year later, when with the benefit of hindsight, it is so obvious to everyone that Qfit 'played' Mike. I suppose there is some embarrassment now, but for god's sake, be a man, Mike.

 

Perhaps if the Wiz really gave a shit and wasn't just phoning it in to the LCB boys: seems to me that the things he cares about the most now are eating challenges and unicycling.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

Will the 'sniff the unicycle seat' challenge be before or after manboy rides it in the Rubik's Cube challenge. I bet they all voted for after. And will Angela be there in the red dress to announce the the festivities? Still time for her to fit back in to the dress.

 

after all that above, it shows that wov as with me, will ban for "content". If you are on the wrong side of an issue. You were on the wrong side...and worse yet..you were able to express yourself well. Thats a bad combination.
So you get banned for a rule that isnt even listed. And I get banned for no reason given......but in the end its all about being banned for content...content that was on the wrong side of the issue as seen by a power that be.

And the funny thing is , in your case, QFIT kept on posting about the situation(after you were gone), obvious trolling, was told by BBB to stop already..but a dozen more pages ensued.....but if someone is on the wrong side of an issue....they can be labeled a troll after 3 posts. Another example of rule enforcement based on being on the right side.

Rules are rules...no problem with that. But censoring future content based on being on the unpopular side of the issue is not within the posted rules.

 

Not to start a fight with you Larry, but.... I was NOT on the wrong side of the issue. I was on the right side and it has since been proven beyond any doubt so. But that doesn't really matter, as my point was that Michael Shackleford did not bother to look into the issue and find out. He just sided with Qfit because he had/has such a man crush on him.

I made this point not long ago, that when Qfit showed up at WoV after a 5 year absence, Mike immediately posted one of the grandioso "welcome" messages, stating who Qfit was in a statement of high praise (similar to the "welcome" he rolled out for Dancer). So anyone who was at odds with Qfit, was going to be thrown under the bus. And that included a 4 year, 3200+ post, active contributing member. Mike took sides when there was no need to and sided with someone he referred to as a "friend". And he did so without ever really looking into the situation. And the fact that every member that voiced an opinion and several other mods, disagreed with him, meant nothing to him.

That is a typical ego-manic. I am right and the whole rest of the world is wrong. And comments like "don't let the door hit you in the ass" or "my way or the highway" are just further proof of egomaniacal behavior or thought process. This is a very troubling characteristic for a website owner or administrator who is supposed to exercise some level of professionalism.

 

no you were on the wrong side.

the powers that be are on the right side......and the opposite side is the wrong side.

its as simple as that.

Ron C stated as well that as far as political views.......punishment is doled out based on what side you are on. The powers that be are more liberal in thinking, and hence they are on the right side...WHy...because they have the power and they deem their side the right side. Ron C is not a trouble maker, yet felt the need to comment on this...just before that thread was closed.

whether its a political side, or a critical side of any issue.......if you are on on the wrong side as deemed by the powers that be....you are fucked. if you present you argument in a well thought out manner that makes too much sense

iTS OBVIOUS TO MOST THAT WHEN i SAY "RIGHT SIDE"....its a sarcastic commentary of the culture of that board. They draw the lines on what is right and wrong as far as arguable issues. And if you argue the wrong side too well you are punished. The wrong side is by definition the opposite side of a person in charge.

And if you arent punished right then and there...you are punished somewhere down the line as a troublemaker troll being given alot less of a leash length than someone who has been on the right side for all this time

 

Sadly, it appears this is true, MrV. Shackleford has had is big payday and appears to just be going through the motions, popping out an article of game evaluation here or there to meet his obligation, but otherwise, just going through the motions. He doesn't care about the quality of WoV. He is no longer building anything. He has had his payday.

And no, there is nothing wrong with that. I suspect many of us might have also lost interest under those circumstances (big payday). It's kind of unprofessional, but that's life.

 

AXEL asked ZUGA recently, if SHACK was going to be sticking around for a while, his response was that SHACK was doing a great job and will be there as long as he pleases ...it looks as though ZUGA and JACKIE CHAN are satisfied, why do more??