Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

BWC, you need to change your username and clean up your act.

 

Holy shit, a human being made a mistake. Actually, I was glad Wizard had chimed in already, saved me time, I was going to shoot her a PM as to why she would close that thread, otherwise, to be honest.

 

Well you get what you pay for. Don't bother verifying...just post whatever comes into your head to suit the purpose at hand.

Was attempting to close the thread a mistake or another abuse of power? Every single name on the suspension list made a "mistake". Every human being on that list made a "mistake".

How about you talk to Zuga about inviting KewlJ back? Brandon James must have some pull.

By the way, today is The Great American Meat Out Day. Google it. Gas up the car and head for the interstate with those "special" shorts.

 

Ignoring your last sentence and assuming you actually want your WoV-Related questions answered, though I will give you credit for the double entendre and even being aware of such a day (I wasn't) in the first place, here we go:

I don't consider it an abuse of power, I think considering the stinging remarks of SammyDV that BBB looked at the purpose of the thread and continued posting as being an insult against AHigh and David Foley (who I legitimately believe she thought to be a Member). Again, I would have taken it to PM had Wizard not already addressed the matter in that thread because I do not see the discussion of a publicly traded company as an insult in any circumstances. If SammyDV had made direct unfounded accusations against AHigh, then yes, I would say you would probably have some violation of forum Rules there...but if that has happened, it hasn't happened recently, in my opinion.

I think there are some people on the Suspension List who would be less likely to acknowledge having made a mistake, but I cannot say for sure.

With respect to KewlJ, Zuga did not ban KewlJ, Wizard banned KewlJ. If I wanted to address the matter of KewlJ being reinstated, therefore, I would bring it up to the Wizard, which I may or may not have already done.

Similarly, if I wanted to address the matter of Buzzard being reinstated, I would ask Zuga.

By the way, as a side note, don't you think it would make more sense to hold that, 'Holiday,' on a Friday during Lent as opposed to on a specific date on the calendar given that several people already abstain from eating meat on Fridays during Lent, anyway?

 

The trend to close threads on WOV only speaks to the incompetence of those so quick to do so. You're supposed to be moderators...so moderate. Don't throw your hands up in the air and take your ball and go home. Closing threads should be a last resort if at all. It shouldn't be a casual knee jerk reaction to show everyone who's in charge....the manboy mentality.

Zuga, for better or worse, is an owner of WOV. Shackleford is his lackey. If you think KewlJ would benefit the forum, if you think he was railroaded, then it is your duty to go to Zuga. Ask him why he allows someone's personal vendetta to disrupt the forum that provides him a paycheck. It's Zuga's forun, his sites, his investment.

On the Meat Out: You are right. I made a *cough* "mistake". A human being mistake. After more research, I now see that the Meat Out is not about exposing one's meat. It's like the Smoke Out. Smoke Out...don't smoke. Meat Out...don't eat meat. Or beat your meat in public. Good advice for all.

 

It doesn't speak to anything other than that is sometimes a reasonable reaction to a given thread. In this case, I've already agreed that thread should not be closed and stated that I would have PM'ed BBB had Wizard not already beaten me to it, so I don't know what else you want from me there. In general terms, we agree it should be a last resort or something close to it, so we're really not at all at odds on this one. I wouldn't say, 'Last Resort,' but certainly not my first inclination.

In terms of the WoV Forums, I consider them both my superiors, (not to mention the fact that Zuga is not often that active on the actual Forums) so I am going to go to whichever of the two did the ban if I have anything at all to say about it. Similarly, if a different Administrator does something I disagree with, I'm going to discuss it directly with them in a PM and only go to Wizard or Zuga if we do not come to an agreement AND I believe that their action was almost definitely wrong.

The point is, I'm not one to go behind another person's back on things or go, "Running to the boss," before I have attempted to address something with someone directly, first. If someone does something and I disagree with it, my first course of action is almost always going to be to address them directly on it, or alternatively, to address them openly.

I did actually mean it when I said I give credit for your, 'Mistake.' That was both creative and moderately amusing, I give credit where I think it is due. Your more direct statement in the above quote is just more of the redundancy to which I have become accustomed, I'd be more appreciative if you go for creative and moderately amusing again.

 

Mission, do me one favor. Do NOT ask Zuga for any favor on my behalf. Hope someday he can afford a sense of humor transplant. I am pretty sure I could have got a Christmas pardon from Mike Xmas before last. Mike don't owe me anything. I will be in your debt if you get any info on Stadium Blackjack. Wizard of nothing has one of his agents in PA checking out Stadium or ShaqAttack. Can't find shit myself in NV, PA, or NY rules ?
Elliot Frome usually a good source at SHFL, but not this time.

 

I am not saying its a good or bad thing, however I noticed 99% of the time if one mod makes a decision the other mods will back it up(or they say nothing at all). This is not just a WOV thing, this tends to happen in the RW often. People back up their same races, their Friends, family, coworkers, bosses, employees. Even if it's something more wrong than right. Obviously there are cases where something is so blatantly obviously wrong they can't side with them even though they would like to.

Forum administrators have to lean heavily towards backing each other up or shit would get very chaotic.

 

While I greatly appreciate the support freddy and all the support I have received from both mods and members of WoV, and most of my AP friends, over the last year, I don't want anyone to argue on my behalf to the point that they get themselves into trouble (in the case of mods) or cause a rift in friendship with Mike (in the case of some of the members and my AP friends).

I am not looking to start trouble, nor do I want Mike to be pressured into something. I had hoped....I had really hoped that now a year later, with the benefit of hindsight, Michael would have a desire to re-visit and re-examine this situation and the handling of it. I find it disappointing that he doesn't or can't bring himself to do so.

And by the way....in my mind the question isn't "should kewlJ be invited back?". I think the questions that need to be asked is "where is Qfit?" And "what has Qfit contributed to WoV since he succeeded in getting Mike to ban KewlJ?"

You don't need an answer to those questions, because there is no reasonable answer. All one needs to do is ask or think about the question and it really becomes undeniably clear what this was all about....an outside non-member, who had no desire to contribute, showing up and using his friendship and/or influence to shut down the opinion of regular contributing member of WoV and the AP community.

 

In that event, I will not do so.

As far as Stadium Blackjack goes, I'm surprised not to have heard back on that one yet and will reach out again tomorrow. Its been long enough since my first inquiry that I don't feel bad if I am seen as, "Nagging." I might try to E-Mail someone else with the company, I didn't want to, but I suppose I never really bother him for anything and we've always gotten along well.

 

I somewhat agree with you in that Administrators will either back one of their own up or say nothing publicly. If you want to have a website that operates well and you want to be able to Administrate a forum with any credibility, (just like managers at a company who may disagree on a policy or decision) then you're going to have to show a solid front at least 95% of the time.

If you're going to try to maintain order and a set of Rules on the Forum, then you simply can't show any kind of disorder in a public setting or have any Admin v. Admin arguments about Administrative stuff publicly.

Behind the scenes is an entirely different matter altogether. The only thing that Administrators agree on 100% of the time is that there is a set of Rules and we all agree on what the Rules say. When you want to talk about how strictly the Rules should be enforced, on a Rule-to-Rule basis, then that is going to differ from person to person. Ways to handle things without bringing the Rules into it (Suspensions) will also differ from person to person. There are also different interpretations of Rules, (rarely) so when you have a question of interpretation, then you want to bring Wizard into it because Wizard wrote the Rules that we use. It's not like the U.S. Constitution where legal scholars have to discuss, "Intent," we can know what the intent behind a Rule is simply by asking Wizard.

Beyond that, there are many decisions that are discussed via PM, and whether or not I am willing to escalate past myself and the Administrator doing the action is going to be based mostly on to what level do I disagree with their decision.

For me to call an Administrator out publicly, (without going to PM first) I would have to either think it was a blatant abuse of power or absolutely 100% dead wrong under any circumstances...and I would have to have ALL of the information before I did that.

And, as always, just speaking for my views and how I tend to handle things. I don't speak for the Forum as a whole anywhere but on the Forum, and even that, I only do rarely.

 

The Nathan/WoN thing deserves a better ending than you've allowed it.

The results, the terms of the mediated agreement, should by stipulation of those involved be released to the forum.

You might ask "Why, who gives a flying fuck?"

We do.

Those two got us all involved in their little drama, and now that we're watching we want to SEE something, not just a bunch of ephemeral hocus- pocus, smoke and pixie dust.

Why settle for tofu when there is steak to be had?

 

Thanks Mission Just wanted to be sure my name went in red. KewlJ not surprised by response Got better things to do so no reply appreciated
eXCEPT ON STADIUM bj thread Thanks again.

 

I thought the situation with WON/STRICTLYAP and NATHAN ended rather lamely...I was waiting to see if STRICTLY was going to welch another bet...History repeating itself...MISSION you party pooper.

 

I thought I would save Freddy the trouble and say something as if he was posting in: Elvisz AKA Buzzard was nuked, but only after publicly reviling himself. He was on there an entire 21 days while the mods said Fuck you to Zuga and let him run wild with all his posts(they are such horrible people). Well one post, but it says he has two posts, the site must be counting thread starts and posts as one post each(scandalous. Guys like Nathan must realize this and thats why they start so many new threads). 81 Views seems unlikely since there was only 40 people on the site in the last 30 days because its obviously dying.

 

I appreciate it, AxelWolf. And I congratulate you for having the courage to point out even more incompetence by the WOV mods. Coming from an insider as yourself, who is the second top poster, will have them taking notice. More so than when good [removed, pay to advertise] freddy says it.

I also read your post in the Nathan/Wizardofnothing thread where you stood up and voiced your displeasure on how that ridiculous thing was handled. Good for you. No one can accuse you of drinking the Kool-Aid after that. Hopefully you have encouraged others to take a stand against the tyranny just as you did.

The mods continue to show a complete lack of respect for the site's owner as they continue with their "I can do whatever I want attitude". So yes, not one, but two big middle fingers to Zuga from the mods who are still under the delusion that it's "Mike's house" as they continue to worship the lame duck manboy.

This was never about Buzzard, it was always about the mods and. I caught Elvisz right away. I read his excellent post and it boggles my mind as to why he got that petty ban. If Shackleford is a man boy... maybe Zuga is a man child. I can spot Buzzard instantly but have decided never again to out him. His posts are too good and I have proven my point over and over.

Now can somebody, anybody, on the great WOV answer the guy's question about Stadium games? Anyone? All those experts...all those connections. Come on...it's a gambling question for the 'go to' gambling board. I guess they are more infatuated with Nathan et al.

 

Mission/Pav/ BJ said:

"Any further posts about WON and/or Nathan will be considered off topic posting and subject to suspension". Censorship at it's ugliest.

"Nathan should have the same protection of the rules that any other poster enjoys".

"There should be no further accusing Nathan of being a troll, a liar or having no credibility".

Nathan started a thread: "Playing 2 Slot Machines at Once". He started it within the rules. He started it in the proper forum. It was about *gasp* gambling. He was immediately harassed, bullied and TROLLED - yes Trolled - by billryan...blatant and deliberate. Wizardofnothing called him an asshole in the same thread. Oh he disguised it with punctuation but there is not a shred of doubt that it was asshole.

If anything ever called for a swift and lengthy suspension...this is it. A no brainer. How about it, Mission/Pav? Were your quotes above just lip service? Is Wizardofnothing/strictlyAP/Wizardofodds1/Robsingerwho pulling your strings? Can you be objective even though he gave you money to play slots in AC? Before anyone asks, it was to "run a play". I guess that's what they're calling it these day. Yup, run a play.

Billryan, Won and others have been taking the bullying to other threads too. It can no longer be ignored.

 

There's definitely favoritism going on, between MISSION and WON/STRICTLYAP...He's turning a blind eye to the whole ordeal...MISSION is very intelligent, he knows STRICTLY is a welcher, who previously got NUKED...The money in AC for the AP play, bought some immunity.

 

I was going to reply to freddy, decided not to, and now wish I had as it would've taken care of this one, too.

You can ask Mission his stance, but I've said a thousand times that when it comes to socks, I do not care. There's a couple of you here that deride and disparage WoV daily and taunt that you're a full fledged member over there. I don't care. Buzz reanimates daily. I don't care. When you make it obvious, as Buzz does, then I have to act on it. But if you don't out yourself and abide the rules of the forum, you never cross my mind. I don't have this strange hangup about some "bastard getting the better of me". There's no ego in suspensions and I find it a bit humorous anyone would think there is.

There are few exceptions to this, and every one is one where I find the person to be a threat, in one form or another, to those sharing his space. Those people, yeah, they've made an imprint on me, I notice their work more easily, and I perhaps do put some effort in confirming or denying a suspicion in those cases. But those are few and faaaar between, so much so that none of you have ever touched on any of these members. Freddy? LarryS? Whoever Ozzy and nate and how many others there are? Have at it. Enjoy the forum.

As for StrictlyAP, since you mention this directly and levied a charge against Mission... I would not find him a "threat", as everyone knows what happened and no one would ever work with him again. If he somehow returned and attempted an entrance into a deal, I'd be fine with any calling him out, despite the preferred atmosphere of acceptance. If WoN was indeed SAP, that "threat" would decrease even more, as the WON persona has dealt with many members since then and all appeared to have gone swimmingly. I'd have no respect for the reincarnation, but that's a personal feeling, and I try not to let emotion influence.

I briefly skimmed the SAP = WoN stuff you provided. Certainly some similarities, and certainly something that, if we really were the "check IPs all day and night" crowd we've been painted as, I would delve deeper into as it's enough to make me curious. But it's not. It's not a Buzz-level red flag, and SAP wasn't the next bin Laden.

I've had no dealings with WoN ever. I don't AP, don't gamble, he and I have nothing in common. I've never spoke with him, worked with him, and I think my only communication with him ever was a smartass comment from me about what I thought was a smartass post from him that earned me my only suspension. There's no bias here and I'm saying there's nothing there worth pursuing.

 

Sorry, didn't mean to disappoint.