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Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Gambling Forum' started by LovePotion9, Sep 5, 2015.

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  1. jbs

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    For the last fucking time, I'm NOT him! I'm in and live in California. Get it l that through your drunk, racist, fucking head you miserable old piece of trash. Ozzy can go back to his prison cell now too! Detroit and all of its neighbors can suck ass.
     
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  2. redietz

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    Mr. V has been outed. He's actually Howard Stern. The writing style is unmistakeable. Welcome to the board, Mr. Stern!
     
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  3. redietz

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    Oops, to be fair, I gotta mention that you're wrong about academics not using or mentioning gambling as part of coursework. I have a "Great Courses" DVD set for Probability Theory, and it uses gambling examples throughout. I was surprised, as I expected some, but really it's laced with gambling from start to finish. I could look up the university and professor if you want and get back to you, but it's not Nevada.

    Since the course is designed by a popular professor for mass distribution, I have to figure it's representative of many such courses around the country.
     
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  4. redietz

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    KJ, what you're saying is that in terms of ability and profile, you are not an anomaly. But I think you'd have to agree that by dint of you actually winning over time via sticking to only what you do and displaying discipline, you are a statistical anomaly. That is what Axel meant. Two different things. Winning long-term and without being flagged by definition puts you in a small subset, which makes the "anomaly" label accurate.
     
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  5. Mickey Crimm

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    Bitch, you must want to hurt yourself awfully bad. Get that through your drunk, racist, fucking head you miserable old piece of trash. Now go back to deleting your posts on WoV....while having your nose up Shack's ass.
     
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  6. Mickey Crimm

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    Can anyone name a science that is stronger than Probability Theory? BTW, Galileo was the first mathematician of note to work out probabilities of dice throws.
     
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  7. shuffleupagus

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    Taking a career type job in a casino when you're aware of the shady nature of the industry indicates a severe lack of moral fiber, so that's on shack. KJ is correct when he says that shack is not trusted at all within the table games AP community, and for cause.
     
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  8. oopsididitagain

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    Yes, of course, Red, the DVD era. Thanks. I don't know much about it. But for the latent developments in physics that might show up in textbooks, over, say, the next fifty years, from my own work, and mainly that of others spread across many of the internet mathematics and physics forums and journals.

    The gambling or its overall philosophical view of probability began notably with a commonplace six-sided die around five hundred years ago when, I suspect, a few scientists became wealthy enough to want to employ it for further profit. I doubt that the universe has gambling in mind as its probabilistic nature. Scientists don't much toy around with philosophy, anymore, except for a string of paradoxes left over from when they did. We run into trouble when we try to make gambling out to be a truly logical and otherwise fruitful endeavor.
     
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  9. KewlJ

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    I bought my condo and moved to Vegas at the tail end (<- I am sure axel will find a gay joke here) of 2009. 2010, I split time between Phila and Vegas as I still had an apartment that I was responsible for 1/2 the rent. I spend all of the summer months of 2010 in Philly. So I have been in Vegas 7 1/2 years and the first year was part-time split between Phila and Vegas. So it's not like I have been here 25 year. I am still early on in what I hope is a long run.

    Now when I came to Vegas, I had just worn out my welcome in Atlantic City. So fresh off that failure, I made longevity my top priority and formulated a game plan that would hopefully allow me to play here for a number of years. So that I have been able to do so, was NOT by accident. It was carefully planned.

    Basically, there are three parts to the plan. 1.) a large rotation of stores that I play regularly. I play at least 30 casinos regularly. Now there aren't 30 great or really good BJ games in Vegas, especially when you eliminate some of the double deck games that initially look real good, but because they are hawked so closely are almost unplayable. So the bottom half of my rotation isn't the greatest games. Most are games that other players wouldn't even consider. But as long as they are borderline playable, I add them to the rotation to maintain a large rotation, so I am seen less frequently at all stores. Playing these less than great games lowers my overall average as far as EV and win. This is a trade off for longevity.

    2.) I have worked hard to identify betting levels that are better tolerated at each casino that I play for each time of day and day of week that I play. And during slower times like weekdays and daytime hours, these limits aren't particularly high at the local type casinos that I play. I have stayed at these lower mid level betting levels, even though I have the BR to play much higher. Most Card counters would have moved up in betting range/limits which would have exposed them more and resulted in more backoffs, barings, and eventually an unwelcome sign all over town. This limits my earnings ability, but again....is a trade off for longevity.

    3.) Related to #2, I have identified a playing style that is better tolerated. Simply put it is short sessions. Short sessions works two ways. One it means that any given pit person or surveillance can't really make a definitively determination, based on any single session of play. Just not enough information. They are going to have to examine several sessions of play to do that. And that leads into the second way that Short sessions promotes longevity. With Short sessions, generally, you aren't there long enough to rack up a big win...the kind of win pit folks have to answer for. You are in and out and while, after a while some pit folks might suspect you are counting, you just aren't creating a problem for them that they have to answer for. Be pleasant, don't create any problems, get in and out and you will be surprised what that buys you in tolerance and longevity. Short sessions certainly is not the most optimal way to play as far as profits. It is a trade off for longevity. (see a pattern here ;)).

    Those are the 3 main guidelines that have allowed me to achieve some longevity. There are other trick, like chip inventory, which allows you to enter a game without that first pit notification (buy-in approval). That's one less interaction with the pit folks. Chip inventory also allows you to avoid cashing out, especially right after playing. That is one of the tough areas for card counters....the cage.

    So, yes I have achieved some longevity and hope to achieve quite a bit more, but it isn't by accident. It's carefully planned. And that is what I meant when I said discipline and dedication. This is a career, there is some work and planning involved. Just as the machine guys work and plan to find their opportunities. Long-term AP of any kind doesn't happen by accident.

    And by the way, this whole process is an ongoing trial and error process. Here is Vegas, I receive plenty of backoffs. Backoffs aren't permanent. You take a break from that casino for a bit and head back and try to lay low.....try to identify where you went out of their comfort zone and make adjustments. And outside of Vegas, well, I am very much less successful at avoiding backoffs/barings. I just returned form a trip that was very unsuccessful as far as playing unnoticed or under the radar.

    You might be right. And if ZK is indeed moving to Las Vegas and is serious about a blackjack career, and I believe he is, I would have liked the opportunity to share some things with him. Some things that have and haven't worked for me. I have done this for others, even though it is most counter-productive to me. As I have said too many times, and people are now mocking me, others did that for me, and I am willing to do so for other younger players. Unfortunately, this whole ordeal with Norm, and Norm extending it to involve Mike and WoV has limited my opportunity to do so.
     
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  10. KewlJ

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    Speaking of the ZenKinG situation. I just read where he is now going to fly instead of drive to Vegas for fear of corrupt cops (or other people) robbing him a long the way. Will one of you WoV people please tell him to put the majority of his bankroll in a bank and withdraw it when he gets here! Let a national type bank (BofA, Wells Fargo ect) safely move your BR. Insane to risk your BR and total wealth in either a car or going through the airport.

    If the guy is going to play BJ here in Vegas, he needs a car. He should drive, but let the bank move his money.
     
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  11. redietz

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    LOL -- I can personally recommend not transporting 50K on your person through airports, but not for the reasons you think. I once had reason to transport a fair chunk, so I decided the safest thing to do was tape it to my chest a la drug dealers. So I got some ankle-wrapping type tape and did just that. I went through the airport screening just fine. Nobody said anything, even though I was X-rayed with 50K or thereabouts taped to my torso. Not a thing. No pat down; no search; nada.

    However...every time you exhale, the goddamn tape tightens. I hadn't thought of that. By the time you wear this for an hour or so, it's like you're in the grip of an anaconda. It really does become uncomfortable. Will not do it again.
     
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    What percentage are you making on average from the worst location among your 30 locations? And what bet-spread are you using on that game?

    Why just help younger players? Older ones are not sexy enough?


    I know if chicks were flocking to Vegas to became AP's I would only help the younger hotter ones.

    If catch ZK on the tail end of going broke let me know so I can pick up a sports car and radar detector for cheap, perhaps after that you will see him while volunteering at the homeless shelter. Just look for the guy rocking back and forth in the corner while mumbling to himself "They must be cheating me, they must be cheating me, they must be cheating"
     
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    I bet you would. :eek:
     
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  14. KewlJ

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    You are such an asshole! You must be very insecure, you homophobic dick.
     
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    Not homophobic. Never been accused by anyone of being insecure. If I was a honophobe I wouldn't even joke about it.

    I don't even understand why someone would be upset about that joke, Str8, gay, or whatever, If someone said I wanted to give somthing to someone I might be attracted to, I would say he'll ya, agree with them and own it as a possibility.

    As I said above, I wish young hot cicks were flocking to Vegas to be AP's. I would be all over that situation.
     
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  16. KewlJ

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    Fuck you. Keep pushing me bitch.
     
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    I really didn't think you would get that upset about a joke. And I don't know how I was pushing it when I asked a honest question why someone would be so upset. Perhaps I'm missing something?

    Since you seem to be outraged at me I will respect that and just let you be(I'm not here to seriously upset you or anyone) Until you wish to communicate with me, until then (if ever) I wish you good luck and happiness.
     
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  18. Mickey Crimm

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    You are not fooling anyone, axel. You and RS are really starting to show your true colors. A couple of mental midgets. You both have your noses stuck a foot up Shack's ass. You both like his shit on your noses. You want a full on flame war? You got it. Neither of you two little bitches can beat the flies off your asses. You two are the puke at the McNugget Challenge.
     
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  19. AxelWolf

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    I think you may have missed the part where I said I will leave him be, that would indicate the opposite of me wanting a flame war. I'm not here to truly upset anyone, some criticizing is ok IMO, some razzing I feel is ok and enjoy, but if at some point someone thinks it has gone too far, and I'm the cause of their outrage, or whatever you want to call it, then I feel bad in most cases(like this one). And I must apologize and rethink/reflect about what I have said and try not to upset anyone that much, but yet still be me.

    I have apologized to JK and said I would refrain from the gay jokes and I meant both of them sincerely. That's all I can do at this point, it's up to him now.

    As far as you thinking me of having my ass up Mike's(or anyone's) ass, well you don't know me that well.
    I wish I was the up people's asses kind of guy, I would probably be much much more successful in doing that.

    I don't even have a reason to have my ass up Mikes ass, he doesn't get or give me any the 5 motivating things people oftentimes value.... power, money, pussy, information or drugs. He certainly doesn't hesitate to suspend me on WOV that's for sure, he's usually the first person to do so.


    I do consider Mike a trustworthy friend and a good guy. I have no doubt he has his flaws and isn't perfect.
    I don't give a fuck about people's flaws, mistakes, and imperfections as long as overall they are good people and treat me in a way I would like. As a matter of fact, I don't think I would like someone who was too damn "perfect". Ya know what I mean? If Mike was just a normal guy, by normal I mean he was broke, no website and had nothing to do with gambling, I would like him just the same. If you have seen the variety of friends I have/had I think you would get what I'm trying to say.

    Have I and will I defend Mike and WOV? Sure why not? I like WOV as it's been good to me and enjoyable for various reasons(I even got to know more about guys like you). I will and would defend any of my friends or people I feel are deserving of it.
     
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    Axel and RS aren't interested in a flame war here, but JBS/IBEATYOURACES/JBJB/PETERGRIFFIN is, just look at his last several posts here, full of adolescent insults.
     
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