Craps Bank Roll

I think I will become one of my two parrots and keep squawking this: There are two tests any hopeful dice controller can take --- the SRR (seven-to-rolls-ratio) and SmartCraps tests. These tests can't be fooled. So you pass one or the other and you do have influence. All other debates are (at this point) a waste of time. You might believe this; I might believe that. But the tests have no beliefs.

If no one could pass these tests, then no one has any dice control ability. It can't get simpler than that.

(In a casino it does get simpler: You have to deal with the pressure of being in the casino. You have to make the proper bets. So casino play is the game for those who have passed the above tests and making money then becomes the measurement of their success.)

 

Computing SRR on some software or spreadsheet and then translating that to having an "advantage" is major fallacy!

Every buy-in at a "real casino" presents you with many different conditions and environments each and every time. Factors like:
Your shooting position,
Table surface and its bounciness,
The backwall - bouncy, 5-diamond or 7-diamond,
The dice themselves - density, pip sizes, even the size might be larger. Dice can bias due to the placement of casino logo,
The casino heat... pushing them to you fast, various heat that show shooters might get or if you short throw,
The environment - loud music, noisy slots machines, crowded tables, party people, smokers, annoying dealers, rowdy players

What recording rolls does is only indicate to you what biases may be inherit in the dice and what you might be adding to them with your style of toss. People to claim to have Shooting skills don't have longer rolls than average, around 8 rolls, rather their rolls show a bias to a group of numbers such as insides or outsides.

How you bet with exploiting this bias is the only way you will find any advantage play, and that bias will change from casino to casino, from table to table and from dice types to dice types. There are very particular ways to play craps that give you an advantage once you 'decode the dice' and it is not placing across and pressing to the moon!

 

All casinos are away games until you get used to the ones that become your home stadium.

 

Frank,
I will grant you that someone who puts in the time being in one casino for over 150 days a year, that is to be in every weekend for a year, and plays craps 4 hours a day is more of a testament that the casino is running fair games and values its regulars.

There is no proof that a Dice Control player vs. a Regular Joe does better at Craps, assuming that both players play optimally, that is.

I think that if Dice Control was actually existent, the casinos would then make all of us shoot from dice in a cup (or horn). You know that as well as I do that any means to influence the game to alter the house edge towards the player would be immediately seen as a major threat and draconian steps immediately implemented to counter that. Just ask the Blackjack card counters all about that and what changes have been made in the casinos.

What I think does exist is biases. I think that tables and dice pick up biases either though how they are constructed, intentionally or unintentionally, though wear and tear, and by how the dice interact with the table surface as to bounce and roll. It is very plausible that a player can find a table with such state of bias that they can exploit it. And yes, a player can set and toss the dice that just exploit the bias that exist.

Finding this bias is not easy! It may not be detectable or even present at all. It takes a lot of play and observation to start to see what biases there are and if they can be exploited.

 

Casinos still strive to be competitive - otherwise they'd all be dealing from CSMs now.
So I disagree with that premise.

 

No bias in dice that I can see (I am not an expert in dice cubes). You also don't have to play 150 days a year in one casino. I do know that your performance in a casino will usually be worse than your performance at home. Zengrifter makes an excellent point.

I do think Mark V that you have a strong opinion and going back and forth will probably be a waste of time for you and for me. As Hamlet said when asked what he was reading: "Words, words, words."

I think you will find my new book I Am a Dice Controller: Inside the World of Advantage-Play Craps to be interesting based on your posts above.