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Baccarat How does this sound to you guys?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by brokercny, May 19, 2018.

  1. brokercny

    brokercny Active Member

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    My mentor has been working with a few of his students on a new betting method. He told me this really simple idea and i practiced it for a couple of weeks. Most days of practice had promising results. I finally went down to the local place with $500. Thats 100unit bankroll based on $5/unit. We came up that starting with a few units works better than starting with 1 and it helps to meet table minimums. Anyway, in about a little less than an hour of actual play, I was up $295. I decided to walk away a winner. I will be heading back in a couple of hours from now. If and when I build my $500 to around $1500, Im planning to up my units to $10. I really couldnt believe how simple this method is. He was working on playing every hand for the whole shoe. I tried playing longer term and didnt have the great results he did, so I broke it down to smaller games. I try to win 10-20 units and take a tiny break and go for it again. According to his original method, its very hard to risk a 200 unit bankroll if at all if you played the whole shoe. From my experimenting, shorter games hardly every come close to risking 100 units. Sorry if im being vague, but i dont want to reveal the actual method at this time, but does this sound like anything promising to baccarat players?
     
  2. cps10

    cps10 Well-Known Member

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    Of course it sounds promising. Winning is certainly more fun than the alternative. However, I would be careful posting vague posts like this if you are just trying to dangle a carrot out there to see who will buy your mentor’s method. That usually doesn’t end well. That being said, I wish you continued luck and continue to beat the casinos!!
     
  3. Mcvince

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    Progressions put you in the poor house. Improve your game where you can win over 50% of your bets in a shoe with flat betting up as you win when you get to certain units. When you are constantly winning 8 out of 10 shoes with modest gains while accepting small losses it is then when you truly mastered this game. I know flat betting is a little taboo on this forum but each has their own opinions.
     
  4. brokercny

    brokercny Active Member

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    Hey so I’m not trying to dangle anything or planning to sell the strategy. The truth is, last night didn’t work out for at all. I relayed it back to mentor and he will have his team working on it. Just sucks that I had to give back my profits and some of my money to see some faults. I actually had a string of 10 straight losses. I almost overcame that with a nice run but than fell to a couple of smaller bad streaks that did me in. Unfortunately, he believes that a bankroll of around 320 units will give the optimal technique. I thought 100 units would be enough but a big losing streak certainly kills it fast. He’s trying to devise a sort of stop loss into it. I’ll be back with more details.
     
  5. cps10

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    Best of luck! I also agree with McV. It’s tough to find that selection but you have to “select” when to play instead of an entire show. Again, just my opinion on that.
     
  6. Trainer

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    Just curious is this a cancelation progression? Labby variation?
     
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    What's taking so long with my comment/question being moderated?
     

  8. Roubacc

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    To Brokercny
    My mentor goes to the casino with just 8 full units. He starts his play with 1/2 units. His stop loss is -2. That gives him 4 chances to win with 1/2 units to get positive. He only flat bets. If he loses 2 shoes, or -4 units,he goes home.? That hasn’t happened in over a year.
    When I first met him, his stop loss was -4. After several months he lowered it to -3. Now after several more months, his stop loss is -2. Why am I telling you this? Because at first I didn’t believe that you can have a stop loss of only -3, let alone -2. But he has taught me that it can be done. I hardly go negative now at the beginning of the shoe.
    If your mentor is advocating a double digit stop loss, then you need to find a new mentor because your bet selection (in other words your Hit Rate) is less than 50% and you are using progressions to compensate for your poor hit rate. McVince is right, unfortunately this forum does not advocate flat betting. However, it really is a great way to play.
    I wish you the best of luck in perfecting your system, but I’m just saying there are safer ways to play.
     
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  9. brokercny

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    Hey guys, sorry I haven’t responded on this thread. I’ve been busy hustling at work to save up bankroll for the revised strategy. I started on my new mission this Monday. I’ve gone after work last 3 nights. Brought bankroll of $1100. Now it’s up to $1878. 326,214,238 were my wins. First 2 nights were only betting for less than an hour. Tonight took 1 hour and 20 minutes. Had a little trouble on my 2nd session but got out with small profit on a nice banker run. So the new tweak over the first attempt was to figure out the best point of a stop or stop loss trigger. We found 3 straight losses was the best time to switch things up. On my first attempt, I got so unlucky that I lost 10 hands in a row so that’s what made us come up with a stop loss. 3 days of winning is way too early but so far so good. Keep you posted as I will be visiting sands Bethlehem this Friday night to play a lot more baccarat than 1 hour.
     
  10. Jimske

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    Best of luck. It's funny that guys like roubacc and McVince got it in their head there's only one way to play and win this game. And if you don't play the way they do with flat betting they treat you like a fool or an idiot. Of course they don't offer anything about their way of playing because is proprietary to anyone who doesn't want to pay $160 a month.
     
  11. Mcvince

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    First,
    I have said that there are many way to skin a cat. If what wins for me works , great. If what wins for you works, great. Get your facts straight.

    Second,
    Why should I share how I play? I am no one's teacher on here. Jimske, you are the one critiquing my play.

    Again, there as are fundamental comfort zones that is unique to their own. I play with fellow professionals. Each one of us have the same basic foundation but play slightly different from each other.
     
  12. jbs

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    Because you know damn well REAL AP's will rip your bullshit system to shreds!
     
  13. Mcvince

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    Lol. Like you? You would not make a pimple on my ass. I will play against you anytime. Someone neutral picks the shoe. I would make you even more my beyatch. Now shut up beyatch and let the adults talk.
     
  14. John Blerg

    John Blerg Well-Known Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    Why all the drama and the dysfunctionality amongst all of you so-called self-admitted professionals? Seriously dysfunctional people. And I have to add, just like they do in the shopping centers with neighbors that don't like each other holding their crotches on the Black Horse or the White Horse Pike, on the way in.
     
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  15. Mcvince

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    You are 100% right. You will see that jbs is an idiot
     
  16. John Blerg

    John Blerg Well-Known Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    Stopping at a cafe or coffee shop to grab a coffee or something to go and see a couple people arguing in the parking lot on the Pikes, that's what I'm talking about, Reminds me of this place. What about without mentioning the name , on the backside of the Borgata you cross the bridge and you go over to that little town and go to any little shopping center. Watch two neighbors going at it in the parking lot is comical kind of like The Three Stooges. The same replicates itself right here.
     
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  17. brokercny

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    John, since you know about Borgata, are you planning to visit The Ocean and Hard Rock anytime soon?
     
  18. Mcvince

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    You are 100% right. Its impossible to have a civil conversation on this forum.
     
  19. John Blerg

    John Blerg Well-Known Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    Few years ago we used to live right off of the Garden State Parkway near Atlantic City so yes I know about the area, but we do have family back there so never know.
     
  20. Jimske

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    Wait a minute. Back up and read your own stuff. You've been very critical of anyone using a Neg Prog as "crazy" etc. So has your protege.

    I haven't criticized your flat betting except I questioned the comments about 75% and 100% hit rate. When you make claims like that on a public forum you got to expect push back!

    BTW, I think you got a pretty loose definition of "professionals." My definition would be someone who gets all of their income from gambling. Or, I'll give you, say, at least an overwhelming amount like 75-80%. And there should be, IMO, a time stipulation as well. I know all you guys over there like to call yourself professionals and some may be but most? - nope! It's misleading to other members.

    What else? Oh. I'm not saying you should share how. I'm just saying people shouldn't make claims without backing them up by explaining how they get there. that's my opinion.
     

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