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Poker Hand Replayer (Low Limit No-Limit Hold'em With JJ in BB)

Discussion in 'Poker Forum' started by TEACH (AlSpath), Jan 30, 2015.

  1. TEACH (AlSpath)

    TEACH (AlSpath) Active Member Founding Member

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    Yes, this player is at a low limit table, but his question is a valid one, and responses requested on how you would suggest he might play it at a 1/2 table as well as his table here? Thanks in advance for any input to him, his journey has just begun and your knowledge is invaluable!

    :Jh::Jd: vs :9c::Kc:

    http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/12757426_F2CF8AAB60

    His question is did he go wrong pre-flop (bet size), on the flop (bet size), the turn bet size, or the river betting?

    Or is it all of the above?

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  2. Douglas Zare

    Douglas Zare New Member Founding Member

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    Usually, discussions of these types of hands are result-oriented. Players want to know if there was a way to avoid stacking off against the higher full house. There is no way you are supposed to save your stack with a hand that strong, blind versus blind, at an effective depth of 111 big blinds. You are supposed to focus on getting value in case your opponent's hand is weaker, or protecting your hand earlier, not on getting away from strong hands.

    I normally reraise preflop, blind versus blind, with a lot of hands. You don't want to raise an amount so large that you negate your positional advantage, but reraising to 7-8 big blinds is fine. You want your opponent to get into fit-or-fold mode so when you both hate the flop, you win. I'm not sure that the flat call is bad, but I am suspicious of not reraising preflop. It is ok to flat-call with some strong hands, and this could be part of a reasonable strategy, but normally just get more money in with strong hands in position.

    The flop bet and turn bet seem too small to me. The board is connected enough that the player could have various straight draws, so betting more with a made hand has the effect of charging those before they miss, or let the player semi-bluff with them. I would make larger bets with nothing, to be a more effective bluff on a coordinated board, or with a straight draw myself. It's just natural to make larger bets on a more coordinated board whatever you have, and smaller bets on a board like K72r.

    The river looked fine to me. If you worry about KK, KJ, K9, or K5, then think about how the player would play AK, QT, KQ, or KT, and possibly 99 or 55, and there are more combinations of these than of hands you beat.
     
  3. TEACH (AlSpath)

    TEACH (AlSpath) Active Member Founding Member

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    I personally think a re-raise pre-flop was in order, not a call, and I would have made it $.60, a $.35 re-raise. My opponent could be on a steal, but betting .25 into me didn't strike me as the right amount. I put him or her on a pair, or at least one strong top card like an ace.

    Once the flop comes I am betting a bit more than he did (into a large pot setup by my reraise), so my opponent stays with second pair, or another pair, even KJ, QJ, QT, JT and hands like T8s and 78s (gut shots).

    When an over card shows up on the turn, I again bet 2/3 of the pot, and yes, KJ9 board, does make me consider a QT hand when he or she flats my bet. The king on the river does not stop me from getting all my chips in the pot, I have really never considered him with K9 (maybe I should have), but with this strong a holding, I must bet for value (although you may lose occasionally), you will win tons more against two pair, the made straight and other hands.

    Your opponents runner runner are very long odds to run you down and you want these type players paying money to get there (every time).
     
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  4. matyk133

    matyk133 New Member Founding Member

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    Thanks for posting this Al, good to hear some feedback!

    Villain Notes - TAG / High fold to 3bet / High Flop Cbet
    I agree 3beting to 7-8 BB is going to be very +EV. Calling in this spot is certainly something i do only on occasion.
    Flop - checks on J95r / showdown value, Ax Kx 22-88, possibly slow playing, small bet to hopefully induce raise or float.
    Turn - Agree needed to bet more
    River - I think this was fine as played, going for max value.

    Do you think against aggressive opponents betting smaller when checked to (on the flop) keeps there calling range wider?
     
  5. David Chicotsky

    David Chicotsky New Member Founding Member

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    Auto reraise pre-flop. If he decides to just call pre, then the pot is tiny, so he needs to bet more like 80% of the pot on the flop to "build the pot" and have any hope of getting value. Always nice to boat up on the river and have your opponent shove like that, but not reraising pre will cost him in the long-run.
     
  6. TEACH (AlSpath)

    TEACH (AlSpath) Active Member Founding Member

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    Matt, you have excellent folks advising you above, and David (I know), is an outstanding player and coach.
     
  7. Gullywin

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    Opt for an alternative phrasing: "When facing the decision to reraise before the flop, opting for an automated reraise would be prudent. However, in the event that he chooses to merely call, the pot size remains minimal, necessitating a larger bet of approximately 80% of the pot on the flop in order to effectively 'build the pot' and maximize potential gains. It is undeniably satisfying to acquire a strong hand on the river and witness one's opponent making an aggressive move, but neglecting to reraise before the flop will prove disadvantageous in the long term."
     


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