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Roulette Info re: Random and Gambler's Fallacy

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Dec 29, 2018.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Be advised, I obviously do not agree with "all" of the points made.

     
  2. Bombus

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    for a 20 number sequence, random can cut down permutations too
     
  3. delectus

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    Hi TurboGenius, I agree with your comments. We disagree about moving from Table
    to Table , as you considered it as absurd (referring to the Sleeper project),

    The Sleeper project confirms however, that certain numbers will react differently
    when restricted to 28 spins and no one has so far come up with a valid reason,
    why some numbers have a more favourable parameter than others.

    I have not done any work on coin flips, as for me it has no useful purpose.

    I thought it would be interesting just to compare some coin flips with R & B.
    Random.org produced 28 coin flips, then reset for a further five times to
    produce 140 coins.

    Using Sleeper project L P 1 to L P 5 produced 140 spins.

    This produced only a small sample and over time no doubt the results change,
    or will Heads and Black be always in the lead in the longer sequence?

    T 1 = 15
    H 1 = 16
    T 2 = 09
    H 2 = 07
    T 3 = 03
    H 3 = 04
    T 4 = 05
    H 4 = xx
    T 5 = 02
    H 5 = 01
    T 6 = xx
    H 6 = 01
    T 7 = xx
    H 7 = 01
    T 8 = xx
    H 8 = 01


    R 1 = 24
    B 1 = 22
    R 2 = 10
    B 2 = 10
    R 3 = 03
    B 3 = 01
    R 4 = 02
    B 4 = 02
    R 5 = xx
    B 5 = 02
    R 6 = xx
    B 6 = 01
    R 7 = xx
    B 7 = 01

    Wishing you a very Happy & Prosperous New Year
     
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  4. Spider

    Spider Active Member Founding Member

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    Thanks Turbo. That was a very interesting watch.
     
  5. jekhb1976

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    yes, nice indeed. and a very different view on random, thnx.
     
  6. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Turbo,

    Ok, then at least you accept that the long term expectation of a number in the random game is 1 in 38. (Obviously, the number of pockets determines the probability of winning.)

    Since the long term expectation is short of the payoff, then how can you expect to win?

    After all, as the spin samples grow, a hit frequency of 1 in 38 will cause the number to drift farther and farther and farther away from break even.
    For example after...
    36 spins... a random number is 2 units behind break even.
    360 spins... a random number is 20 units behind break even.
    3600 spins... a random number is 200 units behind break even.
    36000 spins... a random number is 2000 units behind break even.
    360000 spins... a random number is 20000 units behind break even.
    3600000 spins... a random number is 200000 units behind break even.

    Turbo and Jekhb1976,

    Since numbers never catch back up with the regression to the mean, but instead drift farther and farther away from break even, where are you going to get the extra hits needed to just break even?
     
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  7. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Oops correcting the post above. It should read as follows...

    38 spins... a random number is 2 units behind break even.
    380 spins... a random number is 20 units behind break even.
    3800 spins... a random number is 200 units behind break even.
    38000 spins... a random number is 2000 units behind break even.
    380000 spins... a random number is 20000 units behind break even.
    3800000 spins... a random number is 200000 units behind break even.
     

  8. jekhb1976

    jekhb1976 Well-Known Member

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    you just don't get it do you? if you keep thinking like this, you will never find it.
     
  9. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    jekhb1976,

    Which part do you disagree with?
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    Perhaps you can post some math that some how proves that all of the experts, mathematicians, and history are wrong?
    Or are we just supposed to take the word of some secretive gypsy and his charts?
     
  10. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Yeah, you'd be much better off believing that every casino has a wobbly unicorn wheel that
    pays off millions to only the super secret gang of unicorn hunters who exploit them - and the
    casino doesn't even know about it !! It's a good gig I hear from the story teller.

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  11. johndexter

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    HILARIOUS !!!!!:)
     
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  12. AMK

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    Hello johndexter!

    I have been trying to contact you.

    Would you mind emailing me olivier dot matthew at yahoo dot com

    Thanks for your time.
     
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  13. John Blerg

    John Blerg Well-Known Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    are we actually allowed to skirt the rules of the forum's owner here about emails and contacting other male members???????????????????????????????
     
  14. AMK

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    is it possible to pm anybody on this forum?

    are you allowed to say, "could you go to the vls forum or another forum and pm me from there?

    my apologies but dont understand the big deal except for that I am annoying the thread, sorry
     

  15. John Blerg

    John Blerg Well-Known Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    Y contact other males??? sorry, not being dumb or hurtful, i understand the dating thing on dating sites and the old cragslist thingie, but Y contact other male members??????????????????????????????

    i have developed a very successful baccarat wagering method but if i ever sell it i would partner with a writer or a system type of person and let them do the marketing. i made over $175,000.00 with it since August!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  16. AMK

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    With all due respect John Blerg. (one of the rules of the forum is to be respectful at all times...)

    Almost every player on this forum has or continues to pm other roulette players/researchers on other forums.

    This is done for intellectual reasons which concern roulette.

    Sending a PM is useful for professionals as yourself who can pm a potential marketer without having to start a thread where many distractions could arise.

    Anyway.

    Which thread would you advise I read to learn something about your baccarat wagering method?
     
  17. John Blerg

    John Blerg Well-Known Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    I do not sell anything but I have talked and wrote about a special and exclusive baccarat wagering method I developed called the CalAsia Baccarat Wagering Method. It has made me well over $175,000.00 and wiped out a past debt I had by believing lots of things I read on the internet.

    If I told you anything else i would be lying!!!!!!!!!!!

    there are a few, maybe 6 others on here that will tell you everything they made up about me and others and all of that is 99% if not more fiction and they live it and dwell on it and drama over it.

    what i wrote in my thread there is about real baccarat gambling and how i do it. the other members stick there drama queens and female type of talk into it. some sell teaching or systems and others never gamble, IMO.

    i learned alot on another forum and i choose to write on this one a while back cuz of other reasons. thank you, Johnny Blerg.,
     

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