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Roulette Turbo

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone, Jan 20, 2019.

  1. jekhb1976

    jekhb1976 Well-Known Member

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    What do don't understand sir?
    it's so simple.
    we both sit at the same table (never gonna happen, but eithrr way) we look at eachother and i say let's predict that number 1 will show in the next 37 spins! it's impossible you say, you are fighting 37 numbers, and guess what, you are right. i have a 1:37 change that #1 will show up. would you make the bet? I won't.
    37 spins gone by and #1 still hasnt't shown.
    good that i didn't make that bet.
    now we have 15 numbers unhit.
    You again ask me if know wich numbers would fall in the next cycle? my awnser would be: one of those 15 unhit numbers will show in the next 37 spins. now i'm not fighting again 1:37 anymore, my changes have increased to 1:15.!
    On spin 74 7 of those unhit numbers have fallen. so i was right. I can't exactly predict wich would came, but my accurcy of prediction went straight up. now i give you €10.000 euro and say; if i'm right that one of those 7 leftover numbers will hit in the next 37 spins, you give me €100.000 and if none of those 7 came, you can keep my €10.000
    now who do you think will win?
    think about it.
    Again it's not about wich number is the least likely to hit, it's about that i cam predict with a much better acurcy then 1:37 wich number would fall.
     
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  2. Benas

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    Turbo, I repeat - all what you here wrote about probabilities is not true it is the same as if you will write 2x2=5.
    I asked you to write formula how to count probability not fall for the number in 37 spins. I wait for your creation :)
     
  3. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    jek1976, Turbo

    You're prediction is still no better than chance. And unfortunately chance isn't even good enough to break even.
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    The gambler's fallacy has you guys trapped.
    Free your mind, learn basic probability.

    Best of luck, because you're going to need it. ;)

    -Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone.
     
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  4. Bago

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    You can take the analogy of Turbo in reverse, it does not change the absurdity. I ask you the same question that TG can't answer: When we have tracked consecutively 37 spins sessions and there is ONE number left, then for you, this number has a 1 in 1 (100% certainty) to appear in the next 37 spins. Now Elvis or Turbo will have to explain how come this number can sleep for 200-300-400-500-600+ spins!!! WHEREAS FOR YOU FOOLS IT HAD A 1 in 1 PROBABILITY TO APPEAR IN THE NEXT 37 SPINS!!!
     
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  5. Jerome

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    Turbo, how can the odds be 1 in 12? what happened to the other 25 numbers? they are still there and have as much chance of hitting on the next spin as the 12 which didn't hit yet. If you're betting on these 12 numbers then your chance of a hit is 12/37, which is actually a much higher chance than 1 in 12. Calculating roulette probabilities is very simple; the bottom of the fraction is ALWAYS 37 (or 38, American wheel) and the top is always the number of numbers you're betting on. It never changes because outcomes are independent. Please, for everyone's sake take a course in basic probability and stats, there are lots of free courses online.
     
  6. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    So in other words you can't answer any of the questions that have been asked of you by Benas, Bago, Jerome or me?

    No surprise! It's time for you to run away and hide from logic, common sense and basic probability.
     
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  7. TurboGenius

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    No one said anything about predicting it to appear in the next 37 spins.
    My example/challenge to Sir No One was for him to predict what would be the last number
    to appear. Clearly his odds of being right went from 1:37 down to 1:12 down to 1:7 down to 1:3.
    You obviously didn't read what I wrote - At no point did I say ANY number was going to
    appear in the "next" 37 spins. You only saw what you wanted and twisted it into nonsense
    to make a point that you don't even understand lol.
    Jerome ? You liked his post that wasn't even related to what I said.....

    Sir Anyone/No One - you won't answer my super simple question, so there's no point
    in discussing it further with you and your class clowns.
    You avoided my question clearly and then accuse me of running away - laughable.

    Benas wants me to play in his room/casino on his wheel a few hundred spins and then
    I've proven something....
    Bago didn't even read/understand what I said - he proved that in his post.
    Jerome likes his post when he also doesn't understand a word I said.
    You won't answer my simple question...

    Oh man, I hope the unicorns keep appearing for you - you'll never beat roulette
    without them. Then you can post bias wheel results in a thread about random completely
    ignorant to the fact that it isn't random and not relevant to the conversation. Weird.
    The 4 of you COMBINED won't even equal in profits what I make this year....
    Then again you knuckleheads aren't on the forums to helps anyone, and not here
    to learn anything.... so that leaves....
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  8. Benas

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    Turbo you see at least diference what you write ?
    What you here at all want to prove ? At least you cant prove any your word, when you write about probabilities you show absolute not understanding what you write .Whenyou write you must have some aim. Now your aim looks like only attempt to fool somebody. Yes are few who think that you are God and for such of course dont need any proof.
    I think that you soon will start talk about flat earth or about possibilityto fly with mined force :)
     
  9. Bago

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    Elvis, your biggest fan did but obviously didn't understand either lol.

    If we follow your maths and understanding of probabilities, I don't see what prevent your formula to apply to 1:1 ?. As I said if we follow your logic, when there is one number left, for you, it has 1:1 chance to not appear in the following 37 spins session, which is of course wrong.
     
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  10. jekhb1976

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    Again, you are not READING Taco!
    It's all about betselection and to change the odds in your favour.
    Because i don't have to choose a number from 37 , but one from 12 numbers, my odds have changed alot don't you think?
    So i'm not facing 1:37 but 1:12. and i would make a bet that atleast 4 out of those 12 numbers wil hit in the next 37 spins.
    but hey all luck
     
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    If you bet on 4 numbers that hit in the next 37 spins you are losing 4 units, just saying.
     
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    NO. Go back to basics. What's the definition of probability? It's the ratio of the number of "favourable" outcomes to the number of equally likely outcomes. In your (and Turbo's) calculation, the number of equally likely outcomes has dropped from 37 to 12, WHY? what gives you the right to forget about the other 25 numbers? they are still on the wheel and have as much chance to hit in the next spin or series of spins as any of the 12 numbers which haven't hit yet. If you think otherwise, what is the reason?

    Following your logic, if the total number of equally likely outcomes is now 12, then you have a 100% chance of winning on the NEXT spin if you bet on all those 12 numbers! And Bago is correct because applying your logic means that also when you get down to one number unhit, it also has 100% chance of winning in the next 37 spins. When you end up with an absurd result it shows that your argument is flawed (one of the premises is not true).
     
  13. jekhb1976

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    What i ment was, is that the prediction of certain outcomes can be calculated om forehand. and that i don't face 1:37.
    run 100 sessions of 111 spins and report back home many of those sessions have more then 10 unhit numbers in them on spin 111.
    i can give you the awnser on forehand. none, zero.
    i'm not saying by all means that betting on sleepers os betting on hotties, it really doesn't matter either way. it's all about when to start betting and the betselection when you do.
     
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    Ok, then try this - run 100 sessions of 111 spins, and every time you make a bet using your preferred bet selection (based on the logic you've explained), make another bet on the same number of numbers, but this time pick them RANDOMLY. Then compare the number of wins and profit generated from each bet selection. There will be no significant difference between the random selection results and your favoured bet selection results.

    Doing this will convince you that your logic is flawed and that you're not grasping the math. I could do it for you but you will dismiss my results because I don't have the secret sauce. :rolleyes:
     
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    By the way jekhb how is with your 10$ which must become 25 000$ ?
     
  16. TurboGenius

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    I'll do this later when I get home - maybe you'll see the amazing difference between random vs a bet selection that works.
    Then will you change your opinion ? It doesn't change Sir No One's - he says the same thing.
    Random numbers picked vs bet selection end in the same results lol. Nope.
     
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    But you always talk that your bet selection is to bet number which fall less before? :)
     
  18. gizmotron

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    I now know how you win. It makes more sense than when I tried to approach this before. Thanks. I like the way that I win better though. I'm at 33% in the aggregate in less spins. But I might just deliberately play longer just to make use of your method too. Switching methods in the middle of a winning session just might mess with the pit bosses in a very funny way. Roulette is the best game in the house and it has the worst odds. Boy won't the world be blown away someday. Thanks again TG. I really see it now.
     
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    Why are you yelling?

    You can prove it to yourself in a few hours by power testing this with a simulation. If you get an aggregated result that shows an average of how this specs out then you won't need your assumptions that you are now leaning on. You won't have your mathematical equation. You will have proof of concept. You could do that today to validate your assumptions.
     
  20. Benas

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    That you will be right you must something to do, so say what? So what you bet that you have chance 1 in 7 to be right? Say what you bet I will calculate your chance, then you will point where I am not right :)
     

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