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Roulette Outside the BOX

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Frodo, Feb 21, 2019.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    You are ignoring content by this member.

    I wonder if this guy appreciates what I go through to just have fun with him.
    It's hard work but it's worth it. Oh no ! Turbo played his HG using repeaters but isn't using
    repeaters at all....so maybe he's not playing his HG but I'm too insane to understand that - so I'll post
    something quick ! Before it's too late ! lol. Priceless. Don't worry, I don't intend to stop messing
    with you at every chance until I say we're even.
     
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  2. Wally Gator

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    Thanks Mako. This is an important point, as you can run this strategy into the ground if you want on bad sessions. I'm finding similar results to yours. Here's an example of a nasty one. The first 16 unit hit at spin 128 and made a nice profit. Counting back 38 spins to find the next cycle, as you can see made about another 100 units and then crashed. Simply too many 16 unit unhits that didn't come in. The exit point, as you've explained, for this particular session, would have been around spin 236 when another 100+ spins was not producing a result. I purposely played this to experiment with leaving 16 unit unhits in the mix. Like yourself, the wins have far exceeded any drawdown.

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  3. Mako

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    Yes exactly, good job Wally, that's a perfect example of an average session.

    It's about the timing of the first, and sometimes second, 16u hits. In this case I personally would have ended it around spin 155 or 160, because once I hit that first 16u bet at spin 128 I'm now only playing further to see if I can press a bit and scoop up another lucky 16u hit. And I limit that further play on a spin by spin basis past that point, meaning if I hit +500u, and the table bet is at say 50u per spin, I'll let it go another max 2 spin attempts (-100u if both lose), then walk at +400u if I don't hit. Basically -20% from any significant profit having been hit is my walk away point.

    In your session pressing further did ultimately help a bit past spin 128, hitting another high at spin 151, but then falling back down to +500u by spin 165. You have to know when to jump off the roller coaster, and in testing you see your exact pattern, almost exact to the individual spin, constantly.
     
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    THE FEELING YOU GET WHEN YOU CANNOT CHEAT ANYMORE LOL!

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  5. Mako

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    Just finished this one a min ago, good example of what we're talking about Wally.

    One of the unhits, #21, woke up at spin 38 and then hit another 5x times by spin 94.

    First significant profit happened at spin 90, +316u, which even by itself would have been a good walk away point.

    But the overall table bet per spin was low at 30u at that point, and no 16u bet had hit yet, so I pressed on.

    Three spins later #21 hit again, +837u.

    Now since at that point no other number was even close to being at an 8u and just one 4u bet was live, it didn't make sense to continue long. I spun once to see if I could get another hit, missed, walked away/reset. +814u profit.
     

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  6. Frodo

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    Indeed there are lots of variations,
    Hi Wally,

    Not all sessions are peachy upward graphs. It can and will be a roller coaster, especially if you use a progression.
    The hit rates on the lower progression numbers will give you the capital to aim for the 16 unit hit.
    Let`s take the 1,2,4,8,16 progression, an aggressive positive one.
    On a hit! of a 16unit number, stop for a second and look where you are. If you are on plus (upward going) and your BR is not 10x spin numbers (ex spin 90, a 16unit hits and you are at +900- stop!/restart), keep the 16unit number until it hits one more time, than remove it.
    If a 16 unit number hits and your BR is at least half recovered, keep the number until it hits one more time, than remove it.
    If a 16 unit number hits and your BR is not half recovered, remove the 16 unit number.
    With this strategy, I would not go more than spin 185 for any reason on any variation.
    Like anything else in life, it takes hard work to be successful. Random is a beast, an ugly one. The permutations are infinite. The bet cannot be FIXED. We cannot bet for 9000 spins using the same numbers. We have to think outside the box.

    Cheers
     
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  7. Frodo

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    Hi Mako, that`s what i mean by the 10x spin number (a 16 unit hit number, 837units spin 93 = the sweet spot) :)
     

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    I don't think they want everyone to believe that it is, they're just saying it takes more work than simply betting on the hot numbers with a positive progression.

    If you're looking for bias you have to know what you're looking for and what the signs are, then you have to confirm suspected bias by recording spins and doing some analysis on the data, so you have to know how to do that and also interpret the results correctly.

    You don't need computers to do VB. It's not rocket science, but on the other hand it does take practice because it's a skill, and like any skill, some are better at it than others.

    You've said more than once that you could get the same results as AP playing repeater systems, without having to do all the leg-work (looking for suitable wheels). And you've also implied that the principle is simple (just betting on the numbers which show above expectation, is the gist of it). Why, then, are members still searching for a successful method based on your hints? There are many variations on the theme of repeaters and hot numbers of course, but so far, not only has a reliable method not been found, but hot number systems are indistinguishable from systems based on other principles, in terms of final results. If the basic principle is sound, this is an odd result because success shouldn't depend on the specific details of the system. But it seems as though it DOES, in which case that would suggest that the principle itself (on which a whole "family" of systems could be based) is NOT a sound one after all.
     
  9. Mako

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    An of course after I walked away from that session it went on to hit +2537u at s189.

    Always that way, you leave and the wheel ignites and the repeats fall like an avalanche. :D
     

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  10. TurboGenius

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    It's not that complicated - I won't post how it's done but if you know, then you know it's not that hard.
    The problem is recording spins to actually find where the hot sections are due to the bias. And who wants
    to stand next to a wheel with a clipboard and log 10,000 spins ? No one. But Sir No One will hire you if you want.
    And clearly it's not obvious that the same person or people are writing down spins on a specific wheel (lol).
    Sure, no casino is smart enough to figure that one out.
    AP is too much work - systems are easier - that's why they are here. Putting on the "anti-system"
    act and bashing with meme's and gifs makes it all look better.
     
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  11. Mako

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    Next session played, example of a quit/reset.

    You can tell when milestones are late the more you play, in this case no number hit on an 8u bet until spin 129, which means obviously a 16u hit is going to take time. The first finally arrived at spin 144, putting the balance at -183u for the session.

    That would be an acceptable loss, but there were enough 8u and 16u bets still live that it made sense to continue, i.e., worth the risk as it was in the player's favor at that moment.

    Seven spins later the second 16u number hit, followed by an 8u number the next spin, which brought it to +157u. Took two more spins to see if I could grab another 8u or 16u hit, missed, quit and reset at +9u at spin 154.

    The loss or break-even sessions all look like this, you go down early, fight your way back up, retreat at an acceptable number.

    As Frodo mentioned, there's no point continuing to fight uphill as the spin count climbs, not when the win rate per session is so high (thus far) and there's incentive to just reset and start over.
     

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    With this, you show how little you understand... :)
     
  13. TurboGenius

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    I was exaggerating. But yes lots of numbers have to be logged from a wheel - just ask your hero.
    I have his book - I can detect a bias wheel.
    I won't stand there and record spins - and if you think they don't notice someone doing that........
    you show how little you know about casino security. Want some pointers ?

    I'll play hot numbers on ANY wheel and win the same (or better) any time.....less work, less hassle.
     
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  14. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    You're mildly retarded if you think you have to stand next to a wheel and handwrite.

    LOL! Not a chance in hell. Your inexperience is showing.
     
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  15. jekhb1976

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    I want to thank Mako and Frodo for all the work you have done in this thread. you guys are an example on how a forum needs to be.
    Helping eachother, testing with eachother.
    thanks again guys.
     
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    i just can't understand, it realy amazes me everytime that almost everyone except for a few refuses to see that every number, every location will return to it's intended average point! given enough spins. why are you (bago, sir anyone, eugene, sharptracker etc so blind?) if you would only start to do test (oh wait, you need to work instead of bashing everyone) for youself, that you will see, that the awnser of beating this game over and over again, isn't that hard to do really. but again, you gain more out of the fact that posting mems and gifs will produce more and more haters against you. i just don't understand.
     
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    Jek,

    It's simple, people don't like the same BS over and over, and they tire of bickering with the stupid.
     
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    it's simple, if you don't like it, why don't just leave this thread alone. just simple
     
  19. Ka2

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    Thanks for the clarification Mako. If you or Frode needs help with coding in excel just let me know! I've got some experience with excel ;-)
     
  20. Benas

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    You always point to bias as AP top :)...but with that bias you understand what you understand, but if that is true - you never think.
    But really what you say is nothing other than talk, that without cars, trains, plains - is possible to travel better and faster :).
    I do not know why to talk such nonsences?
    You do not know how to play AP, but talk that you can do better without any job, only knowing some rules... why that to do? Absolutely clear, that you do not have aim to win ! Winner wants always improve his play.
    All that you claim is law of two thirds what helps you, but really that law only prove that this way so without knowing something more is not possible to win and you that what proves that to win is not possible use for your winings:)
    That is the same as to claim, that stone helps to swim...
    Are peoples who researched similar things and are few very good articles about why not possible to win using that law. Maybe some day I will translate and will post.
    But in short all such laws simply push player result to 50/50 situation which is not enough to win, so to -2.7% situattion, no matter what you wait.
    In articles about which I talk that is proving with examples why waiting for something nothing change...
     

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