Baccarat Progressions

**** THE FIBONACCI WITH REGRESS ***

You should be aware how this progression runs;

1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55-89-144-233 the next figure is the sum of the preceding two.

If you lose your first bet, then you risk another chip just to get back to even, ditto lose 2 bets, now risk 2 more just to get even and when you're done, you made 1 chip profit less any tax paid along the way.

I am a big fan of the FIBONACCI I started my game using it, not as stressful as the Martingale (so easy to lose 4 or more in a row), more economical than the Labby (LLW actually helps). However it can get nervy at the upper scale, most Martingale players have usually abandoned at this stage.

As I play the Fibo

1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55-89-144-233 dump the first '1', now LW's runs actually produce a profit and resolve the progression you make 2u profit. Some seem to assume you need back to back wins, this is not the case, WLW is usually good enough, if not you can always place a 2u bet and go from there, once you have recouped bets at the higher end (I'm not bothered by Bank tax on the higher value bets, I can recoup that later after a chip count).

Once you have lost a 13u bet, this is when things get a bit twitchy. No worst than losing 6 bets in a row using a Marty or Labby.

Not so much placing 21 chips or 34 chip, it's snaring that second win, that fucks you up. You can feel relieved winning that 21u bet you just won, but you're still 21u in the hole. A few more losses and you're in shit creek...

This is where the REGRESS option comes into play. Win any higher bet and it cancels the 2 prior losses, so win a 21u bet you need to win 13u right. The 21u win cancels prior losses 13u and 8u. Your goal is 13u, 5 + 8 = 13, so you have two choices;

Bet 8u and hope you don't lose 2 in a row, or bet 5u, then bet 8u or simply repeat the 5u bet if you won it. If you do manage to snare WW, then you can bet 3u, mission accomplished.

I don't mind going up and down the Fibo scale at the lower end, but want to get away from the higher value bets by any means possible.

Sometimes it just doesn't work and you lose the 21u bet, or worst, now you have to dig yourself out of a hole. Then you go to figure "how deep is that hole"??

Obviously when you are prepared to bet 13u or more, you are playing at the table minimum, it's all money and adds up.

Usually I'll take the Fibonacci to the 7th or 8 stage then back off. If I'm trying to recoup then the mulit string Labby just doesn't do it for me.

But it carries a lot of risk, you could be on your way back, feeling good and out of nowhere you get hit with 6LIAR, shit happens and you're back to square one.

I've struggled for years how to extend the Fibonacci while trying to circumvent some of the risk.

The best I can come up with (again you have options), drawn a line under how far you are willing to take it, if you stop after losing a 13u bet, you have to recover 32 units. If you stop after losing a 8u bet you have to recover 19 units (round to 20).

This is where a gear change in chip value comes into play (hence why you start at the table minimum). Incidently if your table minimum is $10 you can still play a $5 Fibonacci, you simply start at 2u, next bet would be 3u = $15.

So you have lost a 13u bet, gear up to a bigger chip value, your normal unit value perhaps?

32u at $5 = $160, (actually $155 at $10 table, because you started at 2u).

So gear up to $25 but revert to a Labby. Pre-construct your string 1-1-1-1-1-1, work that as you feel, once cleared you're back in the game, go back to the lower unit value Fibo.

How about we cap our losing bet at 8u. Bust that and we are $95 in the hole. Now all you have to do is recoup 1-1-1-1 at the $25 chip level.
Lose a 8u bet, the next bet would have been 13u then 21u etc. By capping the Fibo at 8u, you next bet is either 5u or 10u if you bet the 1-1-1-1 string as you normally would, both are less than the stipulated 13u as written. If you bet 1 x 1 or 2 x 1 is entirely up to you, it's your money.

Continue to lose?

Your string is say like this; 1-1-1-2-3-4 , don't fancy placing 5u at the higher chip level, split the string into 2 or even 3, again your choice, you have options. Fuck the gambling literature which tells you to need to now bet xyz. Bet what you feel comfortable with, hopefully you can't keep losing forever in a 50-50 game.

So let's redo that string.

12 units,

1-1-1-1-1-1
1-1-1-1-1-1

or

2-2-2
2-2-2

or

2-2-2
1-1-1-1-1-1

Everything depends on your available bankroll and comfort zone.

Again you have options attacking those Labby strings, bet the left hand side first, next bet the right hand side, then bet both sides. Add or increment into the string so not to balloon your required win ratio, you don't want to stray too far from a the 33% win ratio. Losing 1 or 2u you can increment, lose 5u, don't increment. Lose a 5u bet, you don't even need to add the figure 5, you can simply produce a new string of 1-2-2. Yes you are treading water for quiet a while, however you if you decide to place a 6u bet, you odds are still 50-50, it could go either way. If you are continually losing and losing, then you may have no other choice other than quit. I will grind and look for ways to keep my bets low, one of the reasons I play so many shoes, less stressful, less do or die.

Obviously you could cap the Fibo at 5u, now all you need to do is win 1-1-1 for a small profit even and cover the B tax. However then there is no call for the REGRESS option.

The lower bets are merely icing on the cake bets, who cares if you win or lose, simple feeler bets. The cake, the bets that matter are those string bets, are they at a factor of 5 x your base bet, or maybe 10 times a fact of your base bet??

If you have thoughts of extending the power of the Fibo, then lash them up.

Something I always carry with me, good to know if you do end up in a hole, how far you can take various chip value progressions, with your available bankroll.

For example, if you have 1.5k and are 1k in the hole, won't quit and are prepared to fight to get your money back.

With 1.5k you could withstand 9 losses in a row at the 5u level, but only 7 losses in a row at the 25 level, or 5 losses in a row at the 50 level. This doesn't mean you take things to say the 89u level, it is more of a physiological comfort level. There are players out there, who if they are losing, simply won't stop until they go bust. They have the mentality, well I've lose 1000, who cares about my last 500. I am one of such players, I don't adhere to stop losses. quit for the day, I keep on going until I'm totally fatigued and can no longer battle.






This how I run the Fibonacci. Let's say I want to win 10 units.

Write down 10 (our goal target), now you have to work that figure 10 down to zero. Win first 1u bet, figure becomes 9, lose, it becomes 11 (use the columns of a score card), now win 2u, 11 becomes 9 and so on.

In trouble and need to win 50 units, don't write 50, rather, write out 10, get that to zero and repeat 5 times over. The way I do it, are the fiqurs in the column are up and down, I review the bottom figure of the column, I hope it is either lower or at least the same as the proceeding column.

One thing to note, casinos, in particular the pit bosses, don't like those players who have smart money management prowess, those that are controlled and disciplined. They expect losing players to lose their composure and keep betting more and more. They couldn't care less and smirk regards the recording of a shoe, they know there is no edge, each hand is 50-50. However the game is a money game, how you utilise what is at your disposal. Dropping levels when your bankroll is low, or you wish to conserve and protect. They want to see put as much as possible on the felt. Always do the opposite of what they expect, instead of risking your available bankroll, put more time in at the tables.

Here is an example how to win/recoup 20 units using the Fibonacci.




Goal 10u

Lose the first bet, change figure to 11, win 2u then it is 9. Bottom of first column I've won 4 units. I achieved 10 units inside 13 bets, I wish they were all like that, but they are not.

Second 10.

Win 1st bet, but then lose 3 bets, figure in the middle of column 3 is 15 (you are 5u down, less prior 10u won). Win a 5u bet, and a 2u bet? and bottom figure is 8. then I lost 6 in a fuckin' row, goal target is 40, in reality I'm 20u down, less 10 won and 10 original goal. Thankfully won a 21u bet (phew), lose, win (regressing), snare a few wins, and by the end of the 3rd column my goal is 6 which is a massive improvement on 19.

Unfortunately it was 13 at the bottom of column 6, two wins at 8u then 5u and it's goal achieved.

 

I'm really coming round to the view that betting bankers only is the way to go. Bankers only betting will allow you to win more than you lose and that is key especially for progressions that require less than 50% to win well and regular. Only downsides you pay more vig and you have to accept that yer gonna get clipped on the players dom shoe. Any way I'm gonna do so more testings, hey hey.

 

(if you have been successful if your previous mode of play for a length of time and got clipped, ever considered to just accept it as a one off and revert back to your usual style, if it has served you well? I think sometimes people are to quick to drop decent methods of play due to one bad session)

Here are the Player dominated shoes from the Zumma 600 book.

If you can either beat these, or not lose too much per shoe, then you might be on to something.

 

This is gold Junket K, thanks for the indepth FIBO with regress post.
As you say 'better to tread water than drown'
cheers

 

First off I was talking about your odds of winning the hand not the payout. Secondly if you're looking at the blackjack payout all your math guys when the payoff was changed from one and a half to one to three to two stated even with perfect counting blackjack is no longer a playable game. No not an advantage game but and unplayable game....hmmm food for thought... on you tube look up Don Johnson and he will explain some of the changes to the game he got as a high roller. He stated basically the one thing your never do is play a floor game. I won't reply to this again I did not intend to highjack the progression thread but to state with the odds of baccarat that negative and positive progressions both can work with the odds dead at fifty fifty.

 

Sorry, but you're wrong on so mamy levels.

Also, baccarat is NOT "odds dead at fifty fifty."

Trust me, you WILL go broke!

 

in a perfect world you are correct, my experience with BJ i never get anywhere, i win, i push, i lose,no amount of backcounting flat betting will ever win me a thousand dollars and its impossible to walk away a winner let alone a big winner with 10$ bettings, Between the two i had more success at Baccarat than BJ , not only in video poker can yield a loser after 200human hours but also blackjack can show a loser after 6-12months of card counting thats 2,000 hours clocked in ofcourse these are worst case scenarios but has happened in history

 

I couldn't fathom losing for 6 months as some BJ players do. Imagine losing for 6 months assuming that you will be ahead at the end of the year. In the UK and Australasia nearly every game is dealt from a shuffle machine, rendering counting obsolete.

It is, the marginal 1.2% diff' once you factor in the vig, makes it for all intense and purposes a 50-50 game.

 

JK: "I'm gonna be pandantic here, "7 col Anti-Binary Repeat" produces smaller LIAR than say FLD or DBL. Yet doesn't change the win to loss ratio.

9 Column "Anti-Binary" while unplayable produces way fewer LIAR. "

Maybe but possibly only because you are not using cumulative W/L registry (IOW stopping and starting anew every shoe rather than continuing to next shoe)

 

Gotcha, the script isn't mine, the results are correct, but the way they are displayed in the columns has glitches.

 

I think those P Doms are displayed like they are, is due to TIE results.

BTB is split into 2 columns..

 

I guess I have just have the mentality to bulldog my way accepting some busts progression but wouldn't sweat a handful of rough shoe in hundred or thousand shoe, hey hey.

 

Hi Mr King, trying to find a post on your anti binary method. If you have posted details could you pls refer me to link. Thank you

 

Where do you play in Oz?

 

Melbourne, Sydney, mostly Gold Coast. Are you local?

 

I've played in all those places. The Star in Sydney is a joke.

 

What did you find bad about the Star in Sydney as I will be going there tomorrow

 

I didn't get the vibe it was a good place to play. The Sovereign room was table minimum $300, yeah ok, image running a a negative progression with a starting bet of $300. Downstairs, take a seat and it's a minimum $100, if I remember correctly, those tables were "half price six games", a complete rip off. The lower value tables, were Blackjack tables, sit on a stool, very fast games, $25 or $50 minimums, don't recall. Looked like a conveyor belt, wheel them in, relieve them of their cash, shoo them out. No chance being able to strategise playing at those, I think the max was something like $200, real lousy spread.

Compared to Adelaide, $100 minimums, $10000 max, I think. Star on the GC, much more relaxing environment.

 

Hi Tommac, would you please give us the latest on the star sydney,
thanks