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Baccarat Flat Bet Play

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by eugene, Aug 24, 2019.

  1. eugene

    eugene Well-Known Member

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    I will record my online Flat Bet Play here instead of in the B+M Shoes thread because a lot of my Shoes played are going to be partial ones and so it's not fair to pollute that thread with 1/3 or 1/2 a Shoe.

    Basically, I have opened an account online and I am going to see how far I can get Flat Betting as opposed to using some of my favourite progressions (namely the G3M1 and the Divisor) when I play at my local Genting Casino.

    They do deal fairly quickly and so it would be impossible anyhow for me to work out Bet Selection and use some kind of MM at the same time. Mind you, I don't think it will hinder me too much and I should grind out some units. My target will be 5 units a shoe. Some I will hit early and some may take a while. They could be the odd few where I don't reach it all and suffer an odd loss. That's the game I suppose.

    So I will display the Shoes that I play and my W/L registry. I can also display the bona fide screenshots of balances and bets placed if that's what anybody wants to see so I am not called a liar.

    First Shoe:

    ScreenHunter 44.png

    W,L,L,L,W,W,L,W,W,W,L,L,L,W,W,W,W,L,W,W,W. +5 Flat Bet.

    G3M1 was +8 and Divisor was +6.

    Second Shoe:

    ScreenHunter 45.png

    L,W,L,W,L,W,W,W,L,W,W,W,W. +4.5 Flat Bet (because of one hand = a Banker 6)

    G3M1 was +11 and Divisor was only +3.

    I will try and do a few shoes a day.
     
  2. shattered dreams

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    Can you say what bet selection you are using? I can see you follow the chop, but otherwise I cannot figure it out. I have always wanted a good flat bet method myself and would be thrilled to make just 1 unit a shoe. A lot of people do not understand that, but I use progressions because I cannot find a way to flat bet and win. Not because I want to.
     
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  3. eugene

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    Shattered Dreams, I will be upfront and say that I am 100% not going to share the exact way that I play.
    What I will do sometime over the next few days is link up to the three threads from different places on the web which helped me the most and if members want to look at them, well fine, if not, well that's fine as well. Even doing it like that, my intention isn't to send anyone on a wild goose chase.

    This thread is just as much for my own gratification rather than anything else just to see the difference between how Flat Bet and progressions would play out. Now I can't be more straight than that.
     
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  4. shattered dreams

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    Ok, fair enough. I just have one question then. Is what you do mechanical or not? I respect your decision not to share it, so I will not ask any further questions than that. Thank you
     
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  5. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    That's what's paper and pen are for, prepare a few cheat notes in advance.

    Doubt that would ever happen, you not a controversial as thy. :D
     
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  6. eugene

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    Yes, I suppose it is in a sense because if you followed the same framework, you couldn't really arrive at a different bet or you would have made a mistake.
     
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  7. eugene

    eugene Well-Known Member

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    Nothing wrong with controversial. Too much PC rubbish nowadays. It must be a sign that I am getting old!
     
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  8. Jimske

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    I guess one reason is that it's not 100% mechanical.
     
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  9. eugene

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    Someone is going to jump on me and say how can you make a mistake betting in a 50-50 game and the only answer I can give to that is 'timing' and I suppose my W/L registry will have the final say on the matter.
     
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  10. gr8player

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    Uh, not really, eugene. You're doing some "anticipation" trending there as well, so, no, not everyone would necessarily play it exactly the same.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking it; quite the contrary, I love it...you've virtually mirrored my style of trending. You've stated that you don't wish to reveal your bet selection methodology here, and so I'll attempt to use a bit of code that I think you can pick up on: It's basically K. O. O. S. with some St. P. when "prompted"; frankly, alot of T. B. as S.'s and St.'s are prone to produce.

    Now, that said, these shoes are good for your method. My only suggestion would be to add a trigger for the O. T. for those more clumping "2-H." portions of the shoe; a rather common occurrence that could also get you to your win goal just as proficiently.

    Lastly, eugene, I love your use of MM here. Namely, none. You're flat-betting to a conservative goal. Fantastic. Obviously you realize that progressions are nothing more than an ABS (avg bet size) fluctuation, and so I too prefer to keep my bets flat. The only time I might adjust my bet size is after certain "variance statistics" (personal to my play) have kicked in...thank Goodness not a common occurrence.

    Good luck with your play, eugene; you should do well with it so long as your patience and discipline remain steadfast. Take care.
     
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  11. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Fuck me, nobody knows how Eugene is deciding his bet option, but Walter Mitty is already taking the glory. :D:D:D
     
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    Hi, gr8player, I am new to this forum,can u guide / recommend, a flat betting strategy, which can have a bit of subjective element to it if it doesn't work,totally mechanical, thanks
     
  13. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    LOL, good luck with that, all smoke and mirrors is our Walter...
     
  14. BeJustRich

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    Hi Eugene, nice if you started the same way I am doing. Just I am still fighting on systems how to bet. Sometimes I am using random numbers to bet and earn 5 chips from the shoe, sometimes I am using Baccarat Attack Strategy which I know very well from Silverthorne Publications. The divisor is helping a lot, but sometimes I wish that it could be more aggressive. Maybe you can share what size of bankroll are you using to play?
    Can you share what is G3M1, please?
    Below is the picture of virtual testing of my previous 580 hands...what would happen if I used Fibo instead of the divisor. I was a little bit shock about the results, I wish one day it become true in my real game. From 20Eur to 10,000 in 500hands.
    fabionacci + dalembert.jpg
     

  15. Joey Torres

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    Be just rich,

    How are you getting along with your divisor MM? Is it a solid MM strategy and how many units will be your lifetime bank roll?

    Thanks
     
  16. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    If you're goal is only 5 chips per shoe, you should be able to do that easily flat betting (or close enough to) and using SFC that Jimske posted a while back, one would have thought.
     
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  17. BeJustRich

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    Divisor is a solid but again depends on your bankrol and where you bet, as Eugene recomended 300u should be enough.
    As the biggest problem is where to bet. I tried randomness. It peforms sometimes super good but sometimes when it sinchronises with oposite decision very bad. Again...hard to say about bankrol as i have no discipline yet and still losing. August month i am closing with -1200£ loss when i could really reach amazing goals. But i did not follow tge rules i created for myself.
    Right now what i am doing is just reading blogs, posts and searching for a solution to reduce loses. I do not remember who but someone posted this blog: http://targetbetting.blogspot.com/
    It openned my eyes a little bit. If you are not gambler but you want to be at least player or earn from baccarat, before going to the table everyone must to read this blog. It is like food for brain!

    One interesting Idea i got from this blog which i would like to share with everyone....lets do some mathematics.

    Imagine that you never bet on Banker (to not lose on commisions) and never bet on tie.
    So, banker performs 52% and player 48%
    So we eleminate banker 100%!
    Means our 48% of player result = 100%
    Now, after we see player we start to bet on Player!
    If next is Player we won.
    If next is Banker we lost.
    If we won we continue bet until first loss.
    If we lost, waiting next player.

    So from our 100% player decision how many % we are going to guess and win?

    Who is good at math and can calculate.

    For example maybe I say maybe 30% of player is singles. Means we loss.
    15% is doubles we did not win anything one observe one win and one lose.
    If 3players in the row we win 1unit.
    (One observe, two win and one loss)
    This is about flat betting.
    But if we use progression?

    Just my thoughts before sleep. Cheers!
     
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  18. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Should be 50% in the long term. Any Player streaks simply off-set single player (chops).
     
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    From my recent testings I'm now of the opinion that no shrewd cat should EVER again make a bet on the players side of the layouts, hey hey.
     
  20. judge

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    Where can I find info on SFC and what does SFC stand for?

    Mark
     

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