Roulette Your prediction about "Roulette systems" in the next 20 years?

Good. It sounds like you finally take back the responsibility for how you spend your time.

 

You can't be open to the possibility without believing in it to some extent. However between knowing something and believing in something, a distinction should be made. Knowing stems from cultivated experience, while believes can be unconscious.

Well, controlled conditions initiated by skeptics were inherently designed in such a way where was not much room for co-creating a reality where psychic abilities could be demonstrated. Basically those "controlled conditions" were literally rituals of the scientific religion intended to create and experience a physical reality that was coherent with its own believes.

I believe we are all creators and physical reality is a reflection of our belives either conscious or unconscious.

Mr Randi indeed had a very stong minded energy grounded by the support of the collective unconsciousness of the people at that time on Earth. A gifted and very strong mystic could only pass such a test in physical form if all the other skeptic participants would go unconscious or sleep like state, so they have no memory of it, but that was not the case.

There is a shift taking place on Earth and humanity is gradually waking up to the fact that we are all creators, so I expect in the future the psychic phenomena will become more widespread and eventually science will catch up.

 

Here's how this works, and I think I have a great example for you.
Last friday night (I'm a bowler) - I rolled a 230 game. Now that's really good, pro level actually.
Before I throw the ball, I visualize a strike happening. Why ? Because I believe that my brain can
make the adjustments necessary for me to achieve that strike without my need to over think it.
The more I interfere with the process - the worse it gets. My brain already knows what to do in
order to get a strike and it controls my body - simple.
Now that is in no way what's going on here... If I said "My mind controls the game and all I have to do
is clear my mind and no matter how I throw the ball, it will be a strike". That is absurd.
It comes from years of practice and experience. A person who never bowled before couldn't stand
there and visualize a strike and get one due to some magic power or that they "believe" it will happen.
So well and good - but it's no "power".

Now at the roulette table, we as the player have NO control whatsoever, we don't spin the wheel -
we don't release the ball - we have no control over the deflections and the scatter and certainly
no control over what pocket the ball will end up in... True ? true.

Now if the dealer throws the ball and I concentrate on #20 and it lands in #20.... that is called
coincidence. Why ? Because it can't be repeated at a better result than 1:38 tries. This is where
a proof could be demonstrated... however it won't be, because it's not a real thing.
There is even a rare chance you could get it right back to back - but the odds of that coincidence
happening are the same as any other number appearing twice, or two numbers in a specific order.
It happens - there's no magic that caused it.

Just the same - "luck" isn't a real thing either. There is no symbol of formula for "luck", no where to
plug it into a equation.... you either pick correctly and win or don't and lose.
If you happen to win and think it's because of a rabbit's foot, or a lucky shirt, or the day of the week,
or "Grandma's lucky numbers", or birthdays - then you are not in touch with reality.

Here is a great and informative video showing how people truly believe they are in control of something
that they are not. They think their actions or beliefs are what's causing an event but they have
nothing to do with it. This is no different than using all of the steps to clear your mind and concentrate
and the number "revealed" to you actually wins. It wasn't from what you did with your mind, it
happened because of something you had no control over - but tell the people in the video that !
They think their "ritual" makes the event happen. This is how religion is also so powerful as well.
Pray for something - it happens... God is real and answers prayers...." = Not reality. No miracle
that can't be explained has EVER happened.
Educate yourself - or at the very least don't spend time trying to convince others of a lie.

 

What is wrong with "Loving your Neighbor as Yourself"?
If we didn't have this mandate there would be no civilization, no government.

As cold and calculating as capitalization is, the love commandment supercedes it bc money cannot give you some things: Good health, successful marriage, healthy children, sanity...This is where God comes in (or at least a perk of making the promise of commitment).

 

I find It fascinating that you interpret controlled conditions as "rituals of the scientific religion", as if they are just magical with only some kind of symbolic meaning. I suppose your view of the world can't let you see it any other way, since you believe we create our own reality and everything is subjective.

It reminds me of what happened during the war when the US military had bases on some of the remote islands in the pacific. It's called "Cargo Cult Science". After the Americans had left, the islanders tried to bring back the planes based on what they had seen. Physicist Richard Feynman wrote about them in his book.

Of course even the most fanatical New Age zealots don't really believe the nonsense that we create our own reality. If a runaway truck is heading straight for them, do they jump out of the way? or just believe very strongly that it's not actually a truck but a bag of marshmallows? And supposing they don't jump out of the way in time, and break a leg. Are they content to believe it back to one piece? or do they head for the nearest hospital to get some help from the "zombie skeptics", lol. The hypocrisy of the "enlightened" crowd is quite staggering.

And I don't know why they call this movement "New Age", because it isn't new at all. These ideas have been around forever and it's only since the 1700's that they have been seriously challenged by the new "cult" (and yes, it was thought to be a weird cult) of science. But here's the thing : it works. Not only does it work but it's extremely good at weeding out the dross from the gold. But it will only work if you make basic common sense assumptions such as : there is a real objective physical world out there which is independent of us.

Like Turbo says, you should educate yourself. You could start by understanding the scientific method.

 

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If you ask me if there a system that will perform better than another one in 20 years, we can clearly say no...
If you ask me if precognition will perform in the next 20 years, sorry but i can only say i don't know... For example, they just found that they could guess our choice even before we formulate them, it was impossible few years ago... Sorry but everything hasn't been written on the brain yet.

As Precog seems to not want to communicate his proofs, let's start with the skeptic proofs... Where have you seen that it doesn't work and where it is stipulate that it doesn't have a chance to work one day?
It seems there is many kind of precognitions on google Scholar

https://scholar.google.fr/scholar?hl=fr&as_sdt=0,5&q=precognition+roulette&btnG=

 

For the record, I'm not a sceptic and have never stated so. I just loathe fanatics in all their forms because as I said before, they are the scourge of mankind.

 

To call them fanatic, you must be pretty sure that for example here precognition doesn't work... It is more likely that it doesn't (but where are the proofs?) and at the same time it is not more nocive than a system fanatic...

 

No, it doesn't matter if precognition works or not. What matters is that they (fanatics) get all up in your face about their viewpoint, and yes system fanatics are cut of the same cloth.

 

Problem is that we're all a bit the fanatic of someone else... For example system 's fanatics could see us as the naysayers 's fanatics as well... It is just about the facts.

And even despite the facts, for example with Vb or with math's proofs, you could find people that are still not agree.... From that moment we can call them stupid fanatics.

But here, we don't have the facts on both sides... just opinions. I'd just like to see where it is stipulate that it doesn't have a chance to work one day.

 

Sharp,

That study was flawed and nobody else could replicate the results. There was a lot of fuss made about it at the time but it came to nothing. The woo merchants won't tell you that though, they'll just say that science is "broken".

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Daryl_Bem

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Feeling_the_Future

 

OK but according to you, is it as solid as the evidence that no system can overcome an edge? I can say in 20 years for example that no système ev- will beat the roulette for sure. And it is not because someone hasn't demonstrate that he could beat the roulette with his system but just because of math proofs...

 

Plenty of people say they've won using systems.
Others say they've won using precognition.

Neither camp has ever demonstrated that their methods actually do work. I suppose you could argue that the math says systems can't work, but that's only because the math which you use to prove this already assumes that they can't, so you're really arguing in a circle. It's like trying to prove that 1 + 1 = 3 which is absurd because the rules of arithmetic CANNOT allow it. Notice that this isn't the same as precogm's use of this "equation" to mock the system player. But the math is just a model and anyway probability is more than the laws of arithmetic. If the model doesn't accurately reflect reality under all conditions then systems may have a chance.

Similarly you could say that precognition violates the known laws of physics, therefore precognition can't work. But again, the laws of physics are just models (and they've been modified in the past to take account of new discoveries). So the precognition advocate can say the models are wrong, just as the systems guys can.

I tend to agree with Bombus that the problem is not precognition or systems per se but the fanaticism (on either side). Just let each side argue their case and come up with some evidence one way or the other. Reality will have the final say.

 

It's pretty simple to prove or demonstrate.
What's the missing character that is hidden behind the black box ? I know what it is.
Someone with such powers should know what it is as well and can easily answer the question.
Randi used similar forms of testing and no one ever passed - it wasn't complicated or trickery.
They always had some reason why it didn't work "this time".
I can tell you what's behind the box, and I can also put up any amount of money that no one
else will get it right. A person who believes in that nonsense shouldn't run from such a simple test,
but instead laugh at how simple it is to solve... There's never proof, only claims of abilities -
perhaps they actually believe it, like the people in the video truly believed that by hitting a button
and saying some special words - the machine gave them money.

Did you know that if you ask a person to pick a number randomly between 1 and 10 that
more than 50% of the people will say 7 ? It's true.
Why ? Our brain makes that decision based on all kinds of reasoning, but in reality it's no more likely a 7 than it is 1 - but most people will say 7.

 

Haha these zombies make me laugh.

Kairo I wouldn't waste my time on these fools. Both of us know precognition works.

We know both sides of the argument but they don't.

 

1 chip on street 012
1 chip on street 023
1 chip on street 123
1 chip on street 456

 

Black swans exit.
The earth goes around the sun.

Precogers are just one step ahead.

 

The "adult" thing to do is just to say that you don't know what's behind the box.
Calling people fools who suggest you demonstrate something that you can't do is
childish. I suppose you've picked what side to be on.
Fair enough, I'll leave it all day and post the hidden character later - as it's clear
you can't do what you profess to be able to easily do.
Everyone else is fools... understood. Now try to be an adult.