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Roulette Reading Randomness

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by gizmotron, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. Kairomancer

    Kairomancer Active Member

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    So basically just check the overall picture at all 6 data streams. Most of them will have patterns explained in this thread. I should look for the duration of each of those trends and wait till they are somewhat consistent in length between the data streams. After I more or less gauged them, let's say most of those last usually in between 5 to 7 hits.
    Then I select a new forming pattern of chop of singles at stage 4-hit, then I should place my real bet for fifth turn.
    Is that it?

    Anything else to look for?
     
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  2. gizmotron

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    Yeah, try to get good at things that are 3's and 4's in length and just take one net win off of them. Once you get good at that you will be a master. But also always look for the killer win streak. My problem is that I look at the Finales and get stuck between 12 to 18 numbers. I always have to force myself back to the small mini swarms. You will have your own weaknesses and you will need to get off of them when they suck you in. The key to this is in knowing that out of 100 spins you might get just a few more wins than losses. It's a single thing that is the biggest picture. It's something that you must teach yourself.
     
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  3. Kairomancer

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    This implies that on every lost session you are really losing 14 units.
    Even you admit that you sometimes lose 2 consecutive sessions.
    How you supposed to recover from that?
    At every win you only win 3 units.
    To get to 4.66 to 1 W/L ratio you need to win over 130 units or 45 won sessions in a row to get to those type of stats. 10 consecutive wins hardly make it break even.
     
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  4. Nathan Detroit

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    NO PROS here to follow their advice . Look somewhere else .
     
  5. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Look, this rigid test at 3 / 7 and 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, stuff, -- it's all just the confined example. If you can hang on to your bankroll and stay the heck out of losing streaks then there is no reason that you can't wait out bad patches, carry a big bankroll and attack the mini win patches. You should win or at least break even every time you gamble if you are willing to wait at least ten hours. You just need enough experience to wait. I've been playing for more than 20 years at this trend stuff. It took a long time fore me to beat my own demons, greed and impatience. The rigid method is all about dealing with self control. But it is not what makes it work.

    You can only take money off the casino when the good patches are occurring. The casino can only take your money when you get lazy and let them. I don't like the 1, 2, 2, 2 crap because it is the first step toward lazy. I hope you can see that. It's trying to take a short cut.

    I try to win every session using waiting. I wish I could show you that in 20 years of playing I have only seen one or two sessions that didn't have a really nice win streak in it.
     
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  6. Nathan Detroit

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    The novices out there are looking for systems but not for global effects or rolling betting horizons what ever that means .
     
  7. Nathan Detroit

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    Winners do not deploy the Martingale .Best to find a proper money management method and have the wisdom when to leave the table

    either up or down .


    Therefore set reasonable attainable win goal and not too steep loss limit .
     
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  8. Kairomancer

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    I run 2 test sessions in 2 days. Playing with a win goal of 3 and stop loss of 7.
    As you can expect the second one was hopeless. Virtual betting or waiting does not make a dent.
    Quiting sessions early also makes the stop loss rule irrevalant. That way you avoid your own game rules you set for yourself.

    There is no way in hell you can win every session. That is obviously not true.

    I suspect you failed with this method 25 years straight because your method does not work and gambling addiction issues could be also at play.

    Patterns and trends also does not matter. Only thing that counts is that you are lucky that day with your real money picks or don't. Other patterns that seem to work on other data streams also irrevalant, as you can only play one stream at a time.
    It will be only clear after the fact you have finished the session if you use a win goal/stop loss.
    One could only argue about winning and losing streaks when betting in a continues style.

    I could be a win streak with virtual bets and still lose my shirt with real bets. That just the way it is. This is just delusional guessing. Nothing to do with reading randomness. You are either lucky or you are not.

    You could make random picks and could still argue about win and losing streaks and point at coincidences. They are just in your mind.
     

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  9. gizmotron

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    Excellent! It's confirmed then. Everybody can't do this. The ones that can't do it know why they can't. So give up on it or even become a Reading Randomness jihadist. Hate me and trash me. I don't care much. The wheat will be separated from the chaff. Hell will come to those that invite it. To each his own.

    I'll just have to find a way to prove it among confirmed skeptics. Big deal.
     
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    Where is the win streak?

    Code:
     W | B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |  --  SN  --  SP 
     nb| X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  01  --  24 
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  02  --  33 
     nb|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  03  --  25 
     nb|    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  04  --  12 
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  05  --  05 
     nb| X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  06  --  29 
     nb| X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  07  --  24 
     nb|    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  08  --  19 
     nb|--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  09  --  37 
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  10  --  33 
     nb|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  11  --  25 
      -|    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |  --  12  --  30 ( $ 0 ) Six's
      -| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  13  --  20 ( $ 0 ) Low
     X-|    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  14  --  07 ( $ 0 ) Low
     X-| X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  15  --  02 ( $ 0 ) Not Specials
     X |    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  16  --  01 ( $ 17 ) Not Specials
      -|    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  17  --  16 ( $ 17 ) Black
     X-|    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |  --  18  --  30 ( $ 17 ) Even
       | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  19  --  24 ( $ -1 ) Specials
       | X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  20  --  33 ( $ -19 ) Red
     X-|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  21  --  25 ( $ -19 ) High
      -|    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  22  --  07 ( $ -19 ) High
      -|--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  23  --  37 ( $ -19 ) Low
      -|    X | X    |    X | X    | X |   |  --  24  --  27 ( $ -19 ) Six's
     nb| X    |    X | X    |    X |   | X |  --  25  --  08  No Bet
      -| X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  26  --  24 ( $ -19 ) Specials
     X-|    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  27  --  23 ( $ -19 ) Specials
     X-|    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  28  --  07 ( $ -19 ) Specials
       | X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  29  --  33 ( $ -37 ) Zeros
     X-| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  30  --  06 ( $ -37 ) Primes
      -|    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  31  --  03 ( $ -37 ) Specials
      -|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  32  --  25 ( $ -37 ) Primes
     X-|    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  33  --  23 ( $ -37 ) Primes
      -|    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  34  --  21 ( $ -37 ) Primes
      -|    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  35  --  36 ( $ -37 ) Primes
     X-|    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  36  --  05 ( $ -37 ) Odd
      -| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  37  --  04 ( $ -37 ) Odd
      -|    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  38  --  18 ( $ -37 ) Black
      -| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  39  --  22 ( $ -37 ) Not Specials
      -| X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  40  --  17 ( $ -37 ) Specials
      -| X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  41  --  33 ( $ -37 ) Primes
     X-| X    | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  01  --  11 ( $ -37 ) Six's
     X-| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  02  --  06 ( $ -37 ) Six's
     X-| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  03  --  06 ( $ -37 ) Six's
       |    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  04  --  01 ( $ -55 ) Black
     X-|    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  05  --  01 ( $ -55 ) Primes
     X-| X    | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  06  --  11 ( $ -55 ) Primes
       | X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  07  --  15 ( $ -73 ) Primes
      -| X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  08  --  10 ( $ -73 ) High
      -| X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  09  --  10 ( $ -73 ) High
     X-|    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  10  --  36 ( $ -73 ) High
      -| X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  11  --  02 ( $ -73 ) Red
     X-| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  12  --  06 ( $ -73 ) Even
     X-| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  13  --  04 ( $ -73 ) Even
     X-|    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  14  --  16 ( $ -73 ) Even
     X | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  15  --  04 ( $ -55 ) Even
       |    X | X    |    X | X    | X |   |  --  16  --  27 ( $ -73 ) Even
       | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  17  --  22 ( $ -91 ) Odd
      -|--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  18  --  37 ( $ -91 ) Red
     nb| X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  19  --  02  No Bet
     X-| X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  20  --  02 ( $ -91 ) Primes
      -|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  21  --  25 ( $ -91 ) Primes
      -| X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  22  --  29 ( $ -91 ) Primes
      -|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  23  --  25 ( $ -91 ) Black
     X-| X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  24  --  35 ( $ -91 ) Black
     X-|    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  25  --  19 ( $ -91 ) Red
     X | X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  26  --  31 ( $ -73 ) Black
     X |    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  27  --  16 ( $ -55 ) Red
       |    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |  --  28  --  30 ( $ -73 ) Black
      -| X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  29  --  28 ( $ -73 ) Six's
     X |    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  30  --  23 ( $ -55 ) Red
     X |    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  31  --  14 ( $ -38 ) Not Specials
       | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  32  --  28 ( $ -56 ) Specials
     X |    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  33  --  12 ( $ -38 ) Red
       | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  34  --  22 ( $ -56 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  35  --  21 ( $ -38 ) Red
     X | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  36  --  28 ( $ -20 ) Black
       | X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  37  --  10 ( $ -38 ) Red
       | X    | X    | X    | X    |   | X |  --  38  --  13 ( $ -56 ) High
     X | X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  39  --  10 ( $ -38 ) Even
       |    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  40  --  19 ( $ -56 ) Even
     X |    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  41  --  07 ( $ -39 ) Six's
       |    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  42  --  21 ( $ -57 ) Black
      -|    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  43  --  05 ( $ -57 ) Specials
       | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  44  --  29 ( $ -75 ) Specials
     X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  45  --  35 ( $ -57 ) Zeros
     X |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  46  --  37 ( $ -39 ) Zeros
       | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  47  --  04 ( $ -57 ) Zeros
       | X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  48  --  02 ( $ -76 ) Six's
      -| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  49  --  04 ( $ -76 ) Red
     X-| X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  50  --  15 ( $ -76 ) Black
       |    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  51  --  07 ( $ -94 ) Black
       | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  52  --  06 ( $ -112 ) Red
      -|    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  53  --  23 ( $ -112 ) Low
      -|    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  54  --  19 ( $ -112 ) Primes
      -| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  55  --  20 ( $ -112 ) Primes
    
     
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    You method of gamble should not define your self-worth. Do not take it personally.

    I DO not hate and trash you. I simply state my conclusions after extensive testing.

    Best of luck with your method in the future.
     
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    This is how a losing session looks like. It should be full of long streaks of virtual losses followed by a turning point where you catch a positive trend of change and then swith to real bets and hope for it to continue. This obviously does not happen all the time hence the inevitable losing sessions.
    Implementing an 1-2-2 progression is a catastrophic approach as described earlier, as it tend to dig large holes from which almost impossible to recover.

    You won't see large streaks of wins in a losing session, as when win streaks occur you quickly reach the 3 unit profit mark and finish the session.

    This is just common logic.
     
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    You are not addressing the points being made, but rather choose to blame and shame the testers of your failing approach presented in this thread.
    That is an easy way out.

    I can proudly take the resposibility of my results, and bring up valid points of critisism and questions.

    How you choose to respond is your responsibility.

    If you really fixated at proving this to the sceptics and validate your method, you should consider beating the roulette similator and steve's MPR (multiplayer roulette game rankings) as starting point.
    That would bring up a lot of heat. It is also time and resource efficient as you do not need to cooperate with others.
    Certainly more efficient than typing long essays on different forums promoting this method.
     
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    Please note I tested over 200 sessions in total.
     
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    Chiromancer ,


    That 200 sessions test were more than the expected call of duty .


    In my post # 10 of this thread I was shooting from the hip with my opinion .
     
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    If this is common logic then why did you lose so many times in a row? I don't see a win streak anywhere. You don't bet real bets when there is an absence of a win streak. But you did. In fact your 200 sessions are all filled up with times when you just blasted away without win streaks. Now for the clincher. I let you go on an on with it. It's all there for anyone to look for in all your charts.
     
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    "Me thinks you protest too much."
     
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    You went about doing it wrong and I let you. For some strange reason you ignored important things and embraced shoving your way through losing streaks. It's all there in your telemetry and you can't remove it from this forum. You can't project on me. Your own work speaks for itself. BTW, you still into precognition?
     
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    I do not want it to be removed. All my sessions was based on the information posted in this thread.

    However as the thread progressed you constantly added new information on how to play it.

    What do you mean by lack of win streaks? Of course there is none, that is why it is a losing session.
    Winning sessions are quickly cut at 3 units profit.

    I cannot magicly cherry pick winning session in advance. It is only clear after the fact you placed your bets, but I do have several virtual wins at certain point before laying those real bets.

    This session included several longer patterns still with no avail. Just look at the long streak of absence of singles at the zeros at the second half of the chart.

    I do not mix my experiments with precog. I wanted to give your method a fair chance. I do not even think about it as it is tedious and requires a completly different environment.
    Though when I did practice precog I played singles.
     
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