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Software Reading Randomness New Chart for Online Play

Discussion in 'Gambling Software Forum' started by gizmotron, Jun 2, 2020.

  1. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here is the new chart that fits better and has the America Wheel, double zero, charts:
     

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  2. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    This is the chart that I'm using to play with at Roulette Simulator.

    So far:

    NEWCHART.png

    ProgGraph.png
     
  3. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Why not use that short chart at a live table too?

    Eight spins should tell the story too


    B i would consider a Buy-in.



    I only chose from 3 EC, B , L or E .
     
  4. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I do use that chart. It's an exact duplicate of the index cards that I can use at all B & M casinos. Funny that you shouldn't know that. Must not have gotten that far in the RR thread I guess.
     
  5. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Mark,

    I did read about the index card but but assumed it was compiled on a larger version.


    Thanks for the reply.
     
  6. Gigi666

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    Hi Gizmo,

    Your NewChart.exe is marking no7 as not prime, please fix when you have a moment.
     
  7. Gigi666

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    Ran rest of the numbers and according to your list from another post:
    1,2,3,9,10,13,14,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,35,36,37, into zro
    4,5,6,7,8,11,12,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,31,32,33,34," into sxs

    1,2,3,4,5,6,7,11,12,17,18,23,24,27,28,31,32,37," into prm
    8,9,10,13,14,15,16,19,20,21,22,25,26,29,30,33,34,35,36," into nPrm

    1,5,10,11,12,13,15,20,21,22,23,25,30,31,32,33,35,37," into spcl
    2,3,4,6,7,8,9,14,16,17,18,19,24,26,27,28,29,34,36," into nSpcl

    NewChart.ext is marking these wrong, 1 as nSpcl, 2 as sxs, 7 as nPrm, rest is fine.
     

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    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I have the software source code for both of these so I can fix them. I did not build them for the European and American wheels. I think I will add an option to go with that.

    Let me look into what it is making as sets right now.

    Here is what it has now:

    put "1,2,9,10,13,14,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,35,36,37,38," into zro
    put "3,4,5,6,7,8,11,12,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,31,32,33,34," into sxs

    put "1,2,3,4,5,6,11,12,17,18,23,24,27,28,29,30,31,32,37,38," into prm
    put "7,8,9,10,13,14,15,16,19,20,21,22,25,26,33,34,35,36," into nPrm

    put "5,10,11,12,13,15,20,21,22,23,25,30,31,32,33,35,37,38," into spcl
    put "1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9,14,16,17,18,19,24,26,27,28,29,34,36," into nSpcl

    This is for the double zero wheels. I need to find the sets for the single zero wheels.
     
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  9. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    These are actually what I use, even on the single zero wheel online. I stopped playing the live tables online because they don't give you enough time to get the bets down. So I moved over to the RNG games but I'm not sure that those don't target you and cheat. I'm dissatisfied with online. Things are just beginning to open up again. I just like real live play in person.

    So those new sets you see are what is in the software now. Are they OK with you?
     
  10. Gigi666

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    The practice software has the sets as I posted (and as per the lists you posted before), so I think the NewChart.exe should match it for the practice to make any sense, especially that 7 is a prime number, so would not make sense to be in the other group (I dont know how you make up the zero, sixes, specials not specials but these too I think should be same as in practice software).
     
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    As for the land based roulette vs RNG online or even live roulette online, I don't see the difference. A skilled dealer can target you if they want to easily (maybe not so much if you cover half of the board, but definitely if you play smaller number of numbers), plus the game itself is difficult enough to win at ;)
    Your practice software is very good, played through 40 sessions this week. 7 losing sessions 33 winning (2 losers in a row one time) and I started looking at some recorded sessions in RX with the chart for online play where I noticed the minor discrepancies.
     
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  12. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    The practice software is flawed. It has mistakes in it. I lost the source code when I tried a new developer's licence for open source. It was a massive disservice without warning from the company. I almost lost a project I had worked on for 8 years. I had to rebuild my computer in order to save everything. Only the practice software code was lost. So I can't go in a fix it. If you practice on the double zero version I think it is most accurate. Just consider it like tax. The purpose of the practice software is to teach the skills. I use lined index cards with ink pen in live casinos. I have always recommended that a person using these sets and groups should do the same. In fact they should play against live spins supplied at those Germany tables that publish in real time online. They should get use to filling out cards and making next bet choices. I even recommend getting a playing felt and weighted practice chips. The more it's real the better the practice.

    That's impressive so far. 7 times 630 = 4410. 33 times 270 = 8910. You are already on pace for 2 to 1.

    Who are you?

    You must already have experience gambling for many years. It's not just seeing the opportunities. It's having a sense for when to attack and when to lay back.
     
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    The practice software I use is for the single zero and it seems to be working fine to the sets I pasted earlier that you had for single zero. I would not play this in land based casino anyway just too much hassle and distractions, if I could do this online in peace.
    Yes unfortunately heh I do have over 20 years experience in gambling, even more if you'd count lotto systems when I was younger. Will see how another 40 sessions go as now I got the feel for the patterns, how long to stay in them etc. I really play just 2, confirmed singles with a repeat so BBRBBBBR I'll play to get BB and alternates BRBR I'll play one time for B. Got better results in last 20 sessions as started to combine multiple entries from EC, that's why if you don't mind since I got used to the single zero sets if you could update the NewChart.exe with those single zero sets as I pasted or just make a GigiChart :p

    I guess we all get some sort of "feel" for the game over the years, unfortunately its most of the time useless, but your visual aids and the set MM that suits me. I found that the longer the session goes for the smaller the chance to end up in positive, so might decide on a spin count limit to get out.
     
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    maybe he got the memo that my posts lack substance so disregarded the post exchange between you and I when that came up in the discussion. Understandable, even I skim read my substanceless posts as it obviously is just wasting space on the interverse. But full marks yet again gizmotron for going the extra 9 yards in posting new chart for online play. Nice .
    Hopefully this is maintaining my substance less post. cheers
     
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  15. Nathan Detroit

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    In all candor we are very fortunate that no Martingales are being included .

    A loss for the Casino.









    ND
     
  16. gizmotron

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    I can't do this online. I've tried several times. I like the slow pace of a live table that is crowded. It allows me to watch if anyone else is in a win streak. I also have plenty of time to get my inside layout bets placed before the dealer announces no more bets. That is why I suggest that players using these charts get a real felt for about $20 online and some real clay weighted chips so that they can get real good at filling in the index cards and getting the next bets down in time. You then use a live feed of a real table so that you get use to the real timing of a game.

    I get about 30 spins per hour or 300 spins for ten hours. Those ten hour marathon games go back to my double dozens period and the need to win a super trending win streak in order to do well. I would commonly fall low in my session bankroll before hitting the big winner, usually a sleeping dozen or a streak of singles. With hand filled out index cards you can use your own groupings and sets. There is nothing magical about my sets. I already had them memorized from my much earlier magical period. The only value they have is that win streaks come and go inside them. But that is true of the outside bets too.
     
  17. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I talk a bit about difficult sessions in the thread. I get out of difficult sessions with only two or three lost bets sometimes. You can just tell that a streak of first try bets are sort of in domination. You grind your way up and down with a slight trend toward down. So I get out on a mini uptick and just wait for a different session to make up for it. It's not strict 3 or 7. I even quit difficult to win sessions on 1 or 2 net wins. You get use to knowing when a session is easy or difficult and a big grind. Sometimes it's better to not waste you time in a big drawn out fight.
     
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    If you don't have time to make that update for me, no worries, I can setup an excel tracking sheet with the sets for single 0. I just like the clean look of your little chart tool.
     
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    I'll work on it today.
     
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    I designed these simple charts to fit on the side of the main browser so that both windows can be open at the same time. I'm working on it. Just getting my coffee here.
     
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