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Roulette 10 Coldest Numbers Martingaled (TurboGenius HolyGrail) coded and tested.

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Bago, Sep 4, 2017.

  1. BlueAngel

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    People out there are constantly looking for the next big thing, I've only provided them the means to destroy themselves, can't blame me, they asked for it! :D
     
  2. theLaw

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    Falkor would be proud.
     
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  3. BlueAngel

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    Oh I'm sure about that...the1st thing he asked me was: "why don't you be the scientist instead of the philosopher?"
    I've replied: "Physics studies the quantifiable and the obvious but nothing is what it seems...therefore I'd rather delve deeper into unconventional paths...''
     
  4. Rona

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    What has this to do with promoting systems that lose?
     
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  5. Rona

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    Yeah, makes sense. NOT.
     
  6. BlueAngel

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    I'm glad you agree and by the way, have you found what you were looking for?
     
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    Don't know how you're playing but its not right
     
  8. Bago

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    Turbo the idiot didn't realize that what he is explaining as bringing an advantage to the player fails miserably in the long run. The system coded does exactly what he is explaining about 3 numbers lol :D He is irrecoverable.

    So no matter how you re-arrange the numbers on the table, the math stays the same.

    I'm recording and at spin 102 I'm finally down to 2 numbers not appeared.
    That means at spin 101 I had 3 numbers that hadn't appeared.
    So a street going for 101 spins is a "rare event" in my example.
    Now it's appeared at spin 102 ! Player "2" starts, silly bastard waited
    for that "rare event" before playing.
    The math is the same, regardless of what the numbers are.
    So here's a street bet - now that the rare event has happened, let's see
    the results.
    Spins until a win on any of these 3 numbers (street)
    16 spins (we still have 2 that haven't appeared) Betting 1 number and won in 16 spins, not 37
    9 spins and the next to last number appears. Now we're betting them both.
    6 spins later the last number appears. Now we are betting all 3 - a street bet.
    2 spins later, a win
    10 spins later, another win
    12 spins later, another win
    2 spins later, another win
    18 spins later, another win
    26 spins later, another win
    8 spins, win
    2 spins, win
    14 spins, win
    6 spins, win
    26 spins, win
    11 spins, win
    1 spin, win
    11 spins, win So about 1 win every 10.23 spins.
    That's fine - the expected is 1 in 12.33 spins.
    Player "2" did a little better than expected with +56 units flat betting.
    ---
    But what about player 1 - who didn't think there was a benefit in trying to
    take advantage of a "rare event".. he started from spin 1.
    He finishes at the same time as player 2 - he's down 198 units !
    Here are the charts - so there is NO benefit in attacking after a rare event
    has occurred (in this example a street sleeping for 101 spins) [​IMG]
    I ran this in RX of course as I typed this, wouldn't want anyone to think I
    hand picked some spins that benefited by explanation.
    So if the people who think it's rare to see some event happen such as
    a street sleeping for 100+ spins, then surely they have to admit that this event
    happening twice back-to-back on the same street are also rare.
    Therefore, you can't say there's no value in waiting for a rare event to happen
    and at the same time argue that when it does happen - it won't happen again.
    Imagine the numbers rolling out of "random" and the last 5 numbers
    appear and we keep tracking. NONE of them show again until they are the
    last 5 numbers again [​IMG]? That's absurd. Of course there's a benefit because
    we know what "won't happen" and can use this to our advantage.
    Here's the two player's charts. They are the same except for one thing -
    the "rare event" destroyed player 1 - it had NO effect on Player 2.
    You can't lose a single unit by not betting on a number that doesn't appear.
    The same, you can't lose a single unit on a rare event happening if you aren't
    betting on it while it's happening. Now once it happens.... you can bet that
    it won't repeat itself.
     
  9. mr j

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    @Bago >> You really.....dont like Turbo, do you? Compared to the vast number of "members" on these boards, Turbo is your big enemy?

    Ken
     
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    Ken, if you are consistent, you should not like him either, since when he is losing an argument, he relies on Steve the scammer website full of shit and lies to prove that I am a bad guy, instead of proving his point with maths, but he can't, sadly.

    Best Regards.
     
  11. Rheti

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    Did You check y'r Mail ? Bago

    regards
     
  12. Nathan Detroit

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    The only numbers I am interested are the HIGHS of the Doe Jones.


    N.D.
     
  13. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Good lord Bago!

    You're going to give me friggin nightmares with that shaking baby pic! It appears that you don't want to just win an argument, you want to murder and eat the corpse of whomever it is that you're arguing with. Harsh! LOL!
     
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  14. Bago

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    I am not a Vampire! LoL
    [​IMG]
     
  15. TurboGenius

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    As I said at the other forum, I'm done posting.
    Consider it a temporary "win" - your nonsense along with Steve and Caleb have shown me
    that it's a waste to try to help people in a forum format.
    Behind the scenes people try to twist what I say into nonsense to make it look
    absurd and then think I'll perform for them with my replies.

    I'll do it a better way and will continue to help others with information to help
    them win. That's a win for me and the only win that counts.
    Someday you'll understand that helping others is more important than trolling
    and playing games. As I said many times, I let no one waste my time and forums
    have become a waste of time due to a few people.
    I'll use that time to dedicate to making sure others win.
    Cheers.
     
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  17. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Turbo,

    Don't mistake debate, and banter with personal attacks. If you can come up with some good counter arguments we will be here.
    In the meantime, here are some thoughts on how you could attempt to counter the argument...

    1. You could try and argue that there's a subtle flaw in randomness that shouldn't exist that actually does change the probability of hitting subtly due to random fluctuations caused by the observer. The effect is similar to what takes place when we attempt to observe the location of a particle in quantum mechanics. In short observing the event changes the probability of the event.

    2. You could attempt to argue that cause does not always precede effect.


    Just some ideas...
     
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  18. Rheti

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    You could try and argue that there's a subtle flaw in randomness that shouldn't exist that actually does change the probability.

    I' am not an expert in subtle flaw in randomness. ( That's why i am here to learn)

    Roughly 1/3 of time in a 13 spin, dozens are balanced, 2/3 of time it's deviation from the mean.
    It's clear for me that the balanced situation will go to randomness. With a 2 bet on spin 14 and 15, probability is 54.4%

    But what about the deviation situation ?

    Here the full list of 6052 observations of a 13 spin dozens going to 15.


    sessions doz-1 doz-2 doz-3 % W L total %
    6052 3730 2322 6052 61,63
    1 0 3 8 100,0
    1 0 3 10 100,0
    1 0 4 7 100,0
    1 0 4 8 100,0
    1 0 5 6 100,0
    6 0 5 8 83,3
    1 0 6 5 100,0
    3 0 6 6 66,7
    6 0 6 7 66,7
    2 0 7 5 50,0
    4 0 7 6 50,0
    2 0 8 4 100,0
    7 0 8 5 85,7
    1 0 9 3 100,0
    3 0 9 4 100,0
    1 0 11 1 100,0
    1 1 1 7 100,0
    1 1 2 8 100,0
    3 1 2 9 66,7
    3 1 2 10 66,7
    4 1 3 7 50,0
    5 1 3 8 60,0
    5 1 3 9 80,0
    1 1 4 6 100,0
    10 1 4 7 70,0
    11 1 4 8 63,6
    4 1 5 5 75,0
    26 1 5 6 65,4
    25 1 5 7 52,0
    2 1 6 3 100,0
    5 1 6 4 80,0
    19 1 6 5 63,2
    20 1 6 6 60,0
    3 1 7 3 66,7
    11 1 7 4 81,8
    23 1 7 5 69,6
    3 1 8 2 66,7
    3 1 8 3 100,0
    13 1 8 4 61,5
    1 1 9 2 100,0
    8 1 9 3 62,5
    3 1 10 2 100,0
    1 1 11 0 100,0
    2 1 11 1 100,0
    1 2 0 10 100,0
    5 2 1 9 60,0
    4 2 1 10 75,0
    7 2 2 7 71,4
    11 2 2 8 54,5
    11 2 2 9 81,8
    1 2 3 4 100,0
    9 2 3 6 77,8
    16 2 3 7 56,3
    34 2 3 8 61,8
    3 2 4 4 100,0
    18 2 4 5 66,7
    32 2 4 6 68,8
    54 2 4 7 57,4
    1 2 5 3 100,0
    14 2 5 4 78,6
    54 2 5 5 61,1
    95 2 5 6 56,8
    7 2 6 3 57,1
    44 2 6 4 65,9
    98 2 6 5 55,1
    1 2 7 1 100,0
    1 2 7 2 100,0
    22 2 7 3 68,2
    53 2 7 4 62,3
    11 2 8 2 63,6
    40 2 8 3 62,5
    5 2 9 1 60,0
    8 2 9 2 62,5
    2 2 10 1 50,0
    1 3 0 9 100,0
    1 3 1 7 100,0
    7 3 1 8 71,4
    8 3 1 9 75,0
    2 3 2 5 50,0
    11 3 2 6 81,8
    25 3 2 7 72,0
    31 3 2 8 61,3
    1 3 3 4 100,0
    15 3 3 5 66,7
    56 3 3 6 58,9
    100 3 3 7 58,0
    19 3 4 4 57,9
    84 3 4 5 59,5
    140 3 4 6 58,6
    1 3 5 2 100,0
    13 3 5 3 69,2
    88 3 5 4 56,8
    193 3 5 5 60,1
    4 3 6 2 75,0
    57 3 6 3 52,6
    147 3 4 6 63,3
    2 3 7 1 100,0
    23 3 7 2 60,9
    82 3 7 3 67,1
    7 3 8 1 42,9
    30 3 8 2 70,0
    9 3 9 1 66,7
    3 4 0 8 66,7
    3 4 0 9 100,0
    2 4 1 6 50,0
    15 4 1 7 53,3
    18 4 1 8 61,1
    12 4 2 5 58,3
    33 4 2 6 66,7
    67 4 2 7 59,7
    1 4 3 3 100,0
    16 4 3 4 56,3
    84 4 3 5 58,3
    139 4 3 6 56,8
    2 4 4 2 100,0
    10 4 4 3 80,0
    95 4 4 4 65,3
    234 4 4 5 57,7
    1 4 5 0 100,0
    15 4 5 2 66,7
    77 4 5 3 58,4
    249 4 5 4 55,0
    6 4 6 1 66,7
    36 4 6 2 63,9
    170 4 6 3 64,1
    14 4 7 1 85,7
    67 4 7 2 61,2
    1 4 8 0 100,0
    22 4 8 1 68,2
    2 5 0 7 100,0
    3 5 0 8 100,0
    5 5 1 5 60,0
    17 5 1 6 64,7
    28 5 1 7 57,1
    15 5 2 4 60,0
    57 5 2 5 64,9
    92 5 2 6 62,0
    1 5 3 2 100,0
    12 5 3 3 66,7
    78 5 3 4 55,1
    175 5 3 5 54,9
    1 5 4 1 100,0
    18 5 4 2 66,7
    102 5 4 3 54,9
    236 5 4 4 61,9
    3 5 5 1 66,7
    43 5 5 2 55,8
    180 5 5 3 55,6
    2 5 6 0 100,0
    18 5 6 1 61,1
    95 5 6 2 54,7
    1 5 7 0 100,0
    34 5 7 1 67,6
    3 5 8 0 100,0
    2 6 0 6 100,0
    5 6 0 7 80,0
    1 6 1 4 100,0
    15 6 1 5 66,7
    26 6 1 6 76,9
    1 6 2 2 100,0
    10 6 2 3 70,0
    46 6 2 4 60,9
    92 6 2 5 58,7
    12 6 3 2 83,3
    60 6 3 3 61,7
    144 6 3 4 63,2
    1 6 4 0 100,0
    1 6 4 1 100,0
    46 6 4 2 63,0
    151 6 4 3 57,6
    20 6 5 1 70,0
    87 6 5 2 58,6
    3 6 6 0 100,0
    32 6 6 1 59,4
    4 6 7 0 75,0
    4 7 0 5 100,0
    1 7 1 2 100,0
    4 7 1 3 100,0
    11 7 1 4 72,7
    33 7 1 5 57,6
    7 7 2 2 85,7
    21 7 2 3 61,9
    69 7 2 4 59,4
    4 7 3 1 75,0
    33 7 3 2 69,7
    95 7 3 3 64,2
    9 7 4 1 66,7
    60 7 4 2 60,0
    2 7 5 0 100,0
    32 7 5 1 68,8
    3 7 6 0 66,7
    1 8 0 3 100,0
    5 8 0 5 60,0
    1 8 1 2 100,0
    7 8 1 3 85,7
    20 8 1 4 70,0
    12 8 2 2 66,7
    43 8 2 3 60,5
    1 8 3 1 100,0
    45 8 3 2 71,1
    4 8 4 0 75,0
    21 8 4 1 61,9
    1 8 5 0 100,0
    2 9 0 4 50,0
    1 9 1 2 100,0
    11 9 1 3 81,8
    2 9 2 1 100,0
    14 9 2 2 71,4
    13 9 3 1 76,9
    3 9 4 0 100,0
    1 10 0 3 100,0
    1 10 1 0 100,0
    3 10 1 2 100,0
    3 10 2 1 100,0
    1 11 0 2 100,0
     
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  19. Rheti

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    Let's take a look at : 0-8-5, 7 sessions so far, 9 movements in a 2 bet spin 14 and 15, prob 54,4%, i stop if i win on spin 14.

    Dozen 3 gives a rate of : 85.7% 6 out of 7
     
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    1-4-7 10 sessions so far: dozen 3 ---7 out of 10 = 70%
     

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