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Roulette 3 men went into a Casino, and the Casino cheated.

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Richie, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. Richie

    Richie Member

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    3 men went into a casino, and the casino cheated.

    Hypothetical situation:

    3 men played at the the roulette table, lets call them Mr Black, Mr Green and Mr Paper.

    Mr Paper has visited the B&M UK casino several times in the past and noticed the Roulette wheel is the newer type also used by several online dealer casinos, a RSS. Mr Paper normally plays Black Jack and would play a few games of EC's Roulette whilst 'taking a break' ;). Mr Paper watched in earlier sessions players winning until they decided to bet large. A pattern emerged, one that determined large bets failed, and smaller bets won.
    Mr Paper played and during the game pocketed some of his own chips to inspect at home later. He discovered RFID's within the chips.

    Mr Paper figured that the RFID in the chips sent a signal through the felt to a computer software programme that would determine which pocket the ball would land on. The ball 'could' be made of a material called BaTi03 on the surface and BaSo4 on the inside for insulation. It 'could' carry a polarised charge from an ultra-sonic sound wave sent from the transducers inside the pockets of the numbers. ‘Jumping Ball’ syndrome, as Mr paper calls it, was observed quite often, and confirmed the pockets 'could' contain the IGBT transistors, which 'could' be controlled and switched on (on that/those pocket/s) so that the pocket 'could' be negatively charged and repel the ball through electrostatic repulsion. Other pockets 'could' be switched off and the ball 'certainly' fell into these quite naturally/normally.

    Mr Paper observed Mr Black and Mr Green at the roulette table on his next visit.

    Mr Paper bet with multiple £50 notes (bills) on the felt (as is allowed in the UK), his bets were many times larger than Mr Black’s and Mr Green’s large 'chip' bets. The software could not detect his bets as they were, well, paper. Due to the software working against Mr Black and Mr Green's chips, the ball displayed gymnastics an Olympian Gold Medalist would be proud of and actually defied the laws of the known universe. Mr Paper had a very good winning session and even tried to tell the pit boss a joke, who obviously at this time was hovering like an eagle and none too amused. The dealer/croupier constantly tried to swap Mr paper’s paper for chips, but as Mr Paper did not bet until the last second, Mr Paper’s paper won the day. Mr paper obviously could not stay too long, as all the Casino would need to do was turn off the software until he left.

    Mr Paper thought about the ethics of this, and determined that a cheating Casino certainly needed help to lose.

    Questions:
    How would you formulate the bets?
    Would you employ a Mr Black and Mr Green, or would two of you be enough?
    Any other thoughts?
     
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  2. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    You had a good day at the casino and were lucky with your bet selection.

    The RED marks in the chips were there to protect the casino from illegal chips .

    Word of advice : Do not remove any chips from the casino since they are property of the casino .



    ND
     
  3. Richie

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    Hi Nathan,
    We know the Black Jack tables are fitted with these RFID readers that can calculate exactly the amount of bet placed on each players position, I cannot post links, but if a search for "RFID System | Abbiati Casino Equipment" is done on Youtube you will see what type I am aware of, start play around 3:30 for the Black Jack tables RFID.

    The same equipment is used on the roulette table felt, and as you say it could well be I'm lucky, but the bet amounts are read and fed into software, and the addition of the new Cammegh wheel as used by Evolution gaming (immersive Roulette) etc and the behaviour of the ball leads me to think that there is something amiss.

    I understand that Casinos use these chips to prevent illegal chips, and that is fine.

    I could be seeing something that is not there due to the new type of wheel and ball, and the strange behaviour compared to what I'm used to on a John Huxley wheel, so I'll stick to my 3 D-S's and 1 x Quad quick hit and runs,
    All the best
    Richie
     
  4. Madi

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    Still some junky thinks that broken wheel could be found now a days. Holly goat
     
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    Richi
    Can you tell us exactly how electronic gaming machine does that cheating. We all know that it does cheat. How they read the bet and manipulate the outcome
     
  6. Sharptracker

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    There is even more silly... Some junky are agree to bow down anyone pretend to beat the math game of Roulette in order to get a hint that make them look even more silly...
     
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  7. Nathan Detroit

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    Richie ,


    I like your 22 number bet selection . By any chance the one from Brett Morton for the single wheel ?


    Happy Winnings !


    ND
     

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    @Richie

    If you had a casino, a golden goose... would you try to kill it by cheating? I don't think so...

    RRS, airball that blows the ball at the end of the spin are just gadgets to make the game more random... This is built by the construtor that needs new gadget in order to sell wheels, the casino just buy as any custommers. But the game is not rigged.
     
  9. Madi

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    Hint?? Funny . Only broken player findout the hint. Others find it laid out totally in a different fashion. It works or doesnt thats different matter. Some just choose not to bark always against or in favour.
     
  10. Richie

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    Thanks Nathan, yes, Brett Morton 22 on single wheel :). Still figuring out when to jump with profit as hanging on gives it back, hit and run seems to be ok. Do you use it?

    Airball I think is more like a slot machine or FOBT with fixed payout of 75% etc, Chinese software, but I have no experience of these so I cannot say if rigged or not...so don't shoot me down :)
     
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  11. RouletteGhost

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    On occasion trolling can be picked up from a mile away

    Smh.
     
  12. Sharptracker

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    We use probably to bark because we use to see too much simple minds interested by easy money or quit their crap job absolutely, that even don't consider what basic probability is and are just fascinated by a 30 spin 's graph... You know
     
  13. Richie

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    Sharptracker, sorry, misunderstood, I thought you were referring to the enclosed "intelligent" systems like this:
    Clip shows the Chinese building one, those ones would not be something I would use,
    Richie
     
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  14. Sharptracker

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    You know this way of communication is hard ( beside my language is not english)... you can't interpret plenty the way i'm speaking to you, but there was only my opinion, nothing mean...
     
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    No problem, you mean well :)
     
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    Junky? Broken wheel? eh?
     
  17. Sharptracker

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    You'll find here a real funny situation... Roulette forum are full of simple minds that will trust any "MAster of Roulette" pretending that he can beat the math of roulette... And at the same time they find totally silly to exploit the real solution where they can get an edge... Broken (i guess he meant biased). There 's a reason... they dream about easy money with their toes widely opened and refuse the idea to work to get the money...
     
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  18. Nathan Detroit

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    Richie ,


    However the 22 Action numbers for my bet selection are slightly different for the 0 /00 wheel.


    Happy Winnings



    ND
     
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    You said probabilty. Right? Probability is foggy math. Not real and exact math.

    “Chance of happening” and “ really happend” is two different thing in my view.

    Lets say, it is forecasted that there is 95% chance of raining today. Oh god . I m going to work . Full day no rain. One said thats normal , its called normal distribution. “ the chance of happening “ goes wrong. I done double work that day so if next day forecasting comes true i m safe. I done double work.

    No you cant use that day mate. U need to stay at home. Bcz 95% chance, as our “ incredibly smart ,greek god looking GURU say”
     
  20. Richie

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    OK, I see. I used to dream about easy money too, then I woke up and went to work :)

    That makes sense, the 00 you have to play is something I am still fortunate enough not to have to contend with over this side of the pond, but I'm sure it won't be long before they try sneaking them in eventually.
    All the best
     

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