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Roulette 37 people go into a casino - and the house edge appeared.

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. Jerome

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    lol. I'm trying hard to take these guys seriously but they just invite ridicule. I expect Turbo has added me to his ignore list now. Oh well.
     
  2. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    He usually visits the forum without logging on, and then only logs in if he plans on posting something absurd. So that's really just him posturing when he talks about his ignore list. Turbo doesn't really have one.
     
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  3. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I certainly haven't. I have no reason to.
    I can ignore silly comments on my own - when that's "all" they ever are, then it's the ignore button.
    Besides - I don't believe in silencing people who don't agree with me - but I do silence people
    who contribute nothing and troll in every post. I'd suggest others do the same, but that's just me.
    I'm pretty sure not a single person has me on ignore - I wonder why that is.
    Cheers.
     
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  4. JacobBlaze

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    ''It uses the same principle as Turbo has addressed in this post.
    Obviously, the bet selection includes less numbers.''

    which of the two methods? how exactly did you playi ad how did you limit the numbers, i read the posts but couldnt figure out how to play it//
     
  5. Frodo

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    Hi Jacob,

    Its not just in selecting the numbers, but in removing them.
    The process (bet selection) has to do that on autopilot. there is no guessing involved in the process.
    If you study the game enough, you will notice that there are sessions where you see 4peats or more in a relative short cycle. 0-80 spins. You need to be on those numbers, and you do not need to be on all of them.
    Progression will compensate for the lack of accuracy ( no one is 100 %)
    I am using a pretty standard progression 1-2-4-8 but i guess any can work.
    One important thing you will notice is the balance will go up and down.
    Lots of people freak out too fast and lack patience.

    My advice, be patient!

    Capture - Copy.PNG

    I am testing a method at the moment, will see if it has legs. I`m doing all manual so it will take a while.
    Simple progression 1-2-4-8.
    Best of luck!
     
  6. jekhb1976

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    it all comes down to the following:
    how can we play a non-random game in a random universe and make it predictable?
    it's all about math, nothing more and nothing less.
    Think about the following:
    Out of 3 spins that yielded black or red numbers, there will always be atleast 2 Red or 2 Black numbers.
     
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  7. jekhb1976

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    Before I move my thought process into an interesting concept of Parallel universes, I would like to explore another aspect of non-randomness.

    People always say Roulette is a random game. But they do forget that it has its limits. They do forget that non-randomness is part and parcel of this game and embedded in it. There are numerous situations which are really finite in roulette.

    To understand this further, lets take directly jump into an example. As usual, we will ignore the zeroes throughout until we get to a place where we have managed to explore an edge. Let us consider that we are playing dozens. Can you predict the next dozen? If I bet on the negative, the odds will be better than what i will get from playing roulette. However, what we can say for sure is there will be at least 1 repeat of a dozen in 4 spins. Hmm! Is that random? Or is it a finite characteristic and hence non-random?

    See the following spins. Construct them into sets of 4.

    21 - Dozen 2
    17 - Dozen 2. At least one repeat of a dozen
    24
    12

    36 - Dozen 3
    18 - Dozen 2
    29 - Dozen 3. At least one repeat of a dozen
    2

    17 - Dozen 2.
    17 - Dozen 2. At least one repeat of a dozen
    19
    10

    16 - Dozen 2
    7 - Dozen 1
    11 - Dozen 1. At least one repeat of a dozen
    20

    How can we take advantage of this non-randomness. Now here is where Probabilistic and non-probabilistic approach has to go hand in hand.

    How many of us have wondered why a few systems always work well at the start and then the graphs grow towards the south? If you are not one of those who has experienced this, then you have not played enough roulette. The law of large numbers always catches up. This is why when some one tests thousands of spins, you always get a southward graph. So what is the issue? Your playing sessions are not short enough to stay ahead of the curve for forseeable future.

    Unfortunately, playing the game as is will always lead to the session being long enough to catch up on the game edge. For some it could happen in a minutes. For some it could happen after building a solid bankroll over a year or two. However, if you see roulette as a game made up of a number of finite non-random events, it can help you constructing your sessions short. Short not in its literal sense of minutes or seconds or few spins, but short enough to avoid the game edge catching you forever.
     

  8. jekhb1976

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    Again random has limits, but only a few on this board are seeing them, funny because it's just comon sense.
     
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  9. jekhb1976

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    Example of showing that random has limits!
    even sir no one can't get around this one ;)

    let's take the Dozens.

    there are 27 different combinations. Don’t have to know maths. Dont have to be a scientist. Dont have to be a complex programmer. Any person sitting with a pen and paper can in the highstreet williamhill shop can write all of them down. (Not that programmers, mathematicians and scienitist do not go to the billhill)

    111
    112
    113
    121
    122
    123
    131
    132
    133
    211
    212
    213
    221
    222
    223
    231
    232
    233
    311
    312
    313
    321
    322
    323
    331
    332
    333

    Three possible outcomes. Three dozens in three spins, two dozens in 3 spins and 1 dozen in 3 spins. So If you take a set of 12 spins, you will have one of these combinations to definitely repeat. Limited. This has to happen. It is not random. It will happen always. That is the key. Identifying events that will always happen.

    cheers,
    eddy
     
  10. Richie

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    Forget the Zero? ^^^
    How many outcomes then?
     
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  11. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Some of us are winning at the roulette tables in B & M casinos and not dreaming out eventualities with pen and paper and key boards to boot .
     
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  12. Nathan Detroit

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    Dozens and Columns do not require much of a brain provided one knows the lay out of the wheel.





    ND


    For recreational purposes only .
     
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  13. Richie

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    Very true. I don’t understand why anyone would think that results conducted on play money on internet demo/Rng modes/ex table results would benefit them in real life.
    I am new to roulette, but an experienced BJ player, only moving to roulette because the Casinos in the UK have mostly moved to those bloody One2Six machines, which makes my past living from hand shuffled 6/8 decks, although a previous profitable grind, now a break even to loss grind that requires huge BR’s. Sod that. I looked at Craps, as the odds were favourable, but can’t be arsed with that game.
    I learnt the BJ basics online about 10 yrs ago after shooting the shit out of stuff in Iraq, it helped calm my mind from the shit we all see out there. I then got myself a small BJ table, ex- casino chips, shoes, discard tray and played day after day in a pretend setting at home...after a year I thought...”I’m doing OK, let’s hit the casino lol”. I got f*cked.
    Obviously, and looking back now it was quite a comedy show, when confronted with pissed up ploppies, bad tempered dealers, pissed off pit bosses, shit shuffling etc and trying to count and act pissed whilst holding a conversation with total dickheads, followed by the normal when it comes in: “We don’t want you to play BJ, but you’re welcome to play any other game...here’s a free dinner for 2..sorry..lol”. After a while some casinos don’t even back you off in person, it becomes the phone call back off after you leave with winnings, or the cowardly back off letter. I count it as a business expense.
    The internet and statistics can never prepare someone for what actually happens. With roulette, the sh*t I see on the internet/Rng spins certainly does not match anything that is physically spun live.
    My interest in this forum was to run money management scenarios through Rx based on max negative outcomes, and I like the fact that you lot here seem to say it as you see it...long live free speech :)

    I would say to anybody falling for the random has limits stuff, take your cash to a B&M and report back...you can obviously keep your B&M location secret, but just do it and let us all know how you got on. Let me predict the future for you though to save your cash, it doesn’t f*cking work.

    I may sound like a bad tempered old fart, but trust me on this, you will lose your BR if you think like that. Just because it works online or in simulation, it will not work in B&M.

    Everyone seems to be chasing some system or other, but I rarely see anyone talking about money management. Money management is the grail, it must be mastered to survive.

    All the best everyone, we are all on the same side after all...take their money, don’t lose yours.

    End of rant :)

    All the best, don’t be mislead, smash and grab with happy winnings all!

    PS, I’m still studying a money management system for the Brett Morton 22 on a single zero wheel, if you have any MM advice it would be welcome, PM if you wish, but may not be able to reply as quite new and probably not enough posts yet.
     
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  14. Mako

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    And as those of us who are curious about all approaches to the game have said, endlessly, no one is going and throwing money at a method they haven’t tested previously for an extended period.

    No harm, no foul, in any fallacy system, provided you’re not an imbecile. Test test test, and have fun doing so. :)
     

  15. Richie

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    Jesus fking Christ. You are a casino's wet dream. Let me guess Yoda: "Over rainbow riches there be, follow rainbow of riddles and find gold you can. Not know system here told? Pay money and all foretold. .."
    Idiot.
    End.
    Ps I love all people, you are just misguided
    Peace
     
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  16. Richie

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    One more thing, and not being a twat I am not unopean to new ideas. Provide proof I am wrong and I will humbly state I was incorrect. However, I've traded FX for many a moon, made a little cash from BJ, respect my peers and know I can always learn.
    What can you teach me? Want to come to BM casino and show me?
    All expenses paid, but full of shit...you pay me, deal?
     
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  17. Mako

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    You seem angry. :D
     
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    I'm obviously not angry, let's not start with falicies. Your ASK was to prove it, I will pay for it. You say NO, that is your reponse, YES?

    F×ck, reminds me of a song... "Somewhere, over the rainbow..."
     
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    I never asked anything.

    I simply said some enjoy exploring multiple approaches to the game via testing. Testing = simulation using actual spin data. Perhaps that’s where you got confused and got upset.

    Anyone who plays any fallacy method in a casino for actual money without having validated it privately first is likely to lose whatever they started out with. ;)
     

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