Roulette 38 people go into a casino...

They all sit at the roulette table (bring more seats !!!) and each one plays their own
assigned number at $100.00 per spin - flat betting, for 1,000 spins !!!

It takes 35 hours but when it's over -

Player 1) plays #19 (2.51 stdev) ends +$40,400.00
player 2) plays #18 (2.31 stdev) ends +$36,800.00
player 3) plays #33 (1.91 stdev) ends +$29,600.00
player 4) plays # 5 (1.52 stdev) ends +$22,400.00
player 5) plays #32 (1.12 stdev) ends +$15,200.00
Player 6) plays #27 (1.12 stdev) ends +$15,200.00
Player 7) plays #16 (0.93 stdev) ends +$11,600.00
Player 8) plays #17 (0.73 stdev) ends +$8,000.00
Player 9) plays #15 (0.73 stdev) ends +$8,000.00
player 10) plays #2 (0.73 stdev) ends +$8,000.00
player 11) plays #36 (0.73 stdev) ends +$8,000.00
player 12) plays #3 (0.53 stdev) ends +$4,400.00
player 13) plays #35 (0.33 stdev) ends +$800.00
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$3.8 Million dollars was wagered on the table over 1,000 spins.

total players (13) end +$208,400.00

all other players were negative at the end.
total players (25) end -$408,800.00

The house gains +$200,400.00 in total from 25 players (or $8,016.00 each)
The winners combine and then split their cash evenly and end up +$16,030.77 each
They decide to be nice and split their winnings also with the losers who have nothing.
Each player walks out of the casino with $5,484.21 in their pocket.

Grins. Yes I know the "punchline" so please don't post that I'm an idiot. Laughs.
But the math is correct at least in every way.

 

What's your point?

 

I'm not sure there is a point.
I would like to think that I can arrange it so that each and every player would end up winning, after multiple sessions of 1k spins (the "losers" coming back to play again until everyone was in profit).. That would make for one hell of a system. Grins.
Of the 25 people who lost this session, I wonder how many will be winners in the next - and leave in profit (I already know the answer). But then there's the 2 time losers who will have to come back for a 3rd session, and will be in the hole even more - even though 1 good spin can bring each of them into profit and "everyone can win".

 

Oh!!!!!!!! What about this money that went to the casino?

25 players(losers) took away $5,484.21 each but lost $16352 each averagely, hence they went out with $10,867.79 lesser money averagely for each loser.

 

@TurboGenius,
Make appointment with your nearest psychiatrist before it is too late.

 

Well, no... Albalaha your math is wrong.
Once the losses were spread out between the 25 evenly -
each player (25) were down $8,016.00
But the winners split their winnings and shared it with them, so really the 25 that left
were only in the hole $2,530.79
Since they are playing 100.00 chips - theoretically they could be above 0 with just 1 win by winning $3,500

(and I'll ask the psychiatrist if he has a calculator you can borrow)

 

Now, what if instead of 28 people we play all the bets ourselves - one person?
Could this be the start of a new system?

 

Loss of 25 persons combined= $408,800
so each were at loss of 408,800/25= $16,352

now, winner gave them each loser $5,484.21
so, suckers like turbo who lost were at a net loss of $10,867.79 averagely.

Now, someone ask this pretending genius kid, what is wrong with my calculations.His mind has got a bit upset with his silly systems so he dreams of playing like this.

 

Yeah - that should be.....
The house gains $408,800.00 in total from 25 players (or $16,352.00 each)
The winners combine then split their cash evenly and end up +$16,030.77 each.
They decide to be nice and split their winnings also with the losers who have nothing.
Each player walks out of the casino with $5,484.21 in their pocket.
and yes (as I left out on purpose) the 25 players who lost are "in the hole" $10,867.79 each
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I've been through ways to play like this countless times -
The "best" way to play (and stay along these lines) is to play every number in a dozen
(not the whole table - since every spin you will win but lose also)...
So play all 12, if a number in the dozen shows - add a chip to that number and remove
any of the other bets that are at 1 unit and have not shown up yet.
This way, almost every time a number shows in the dozen - you win, and "any" repeat is
also a win of 2 units. Etc.
It works well, it's not perfect. Tweak to your liking.

 

See how genius is turbo in maths:
I said,:

Turbo answered:

And now he says:

Conclusion: He should buy a book on elementary maths and
Make appointment with nearest psychiatrist before it is too late. One of his followers needs the same treatement.

 

Jeez, I said that I made a calculation error.
I fixed my error.
Now please be quiet and try to learn something "oh great Guru". lol.
Stop expecting everyone to bow to your self-proclaimed greatness like "can't beat the wheel" does.
You keep disrupting the class and it's annoying to everyone.
You are doing exactly what you accuse others of doing in the other thread ? Don't you see it yourself ?
An error was made - it wasn't relevant to the topic - it's been fixed, carry on...

 

He was asking me to borrow a calculator from Psychiatrist loudly.
Now, he went polite suddenly and accepted his "calculation error".

Get your eyes and mind checked thoroughly. Stop putting mindless topics that are completely useless to all.

 

No, just useless to you. What does a Guru like yourself need with reading my posts anyway ?
Please move on, you are disrupting the class.

 

class? lol

You need to read elementary books on maths first. Get a maths tutor than moving around gambling blogs.

 

To cross over from another post to this one - (and ignoring the Guru/Roulette Jesus' comments for obvious reasons)

In my above (mathematically correct part) example,
13 people played 1,000 spins each - Flat betting only and walked out with
a profit of $208,400.00 (or 2,084 units)
$208,400 profit using nothing more than flat betting and not using a real "system" at all.
Does the house 'edge' apply to these players ? (not according to their winnings)
In another thread it was said that 1 player playing 1,000 spins would be hit by the house edge.
How many spins could a person survive flat betting one number and still be in profit ?
Grins. Let's find out.

 

From above -
Player 1) plays #19 (+2.51 stdev) for 1,000 spins ends +$40,400.00 (or 4,040 units)

So I ran 2,000 spins with one player flat betting on one number
Player 1) plays #4 (+1.73 stdev) for 2,000 spins ends +$34,000.00 (or 3,400 units)
3,000 spins with one player flat betting on one number
Player 1) plays #9 (+2.74 stdev) for 3,000 spins ends +$70,800.00 (or 7,080 units)
(and so on ? actually yes)
So fine, stop here for now - this person played 6,000 spins and is
up $145,200.00 (or 14,520 units) flat betting only.
Surely one can't say this isn't possible, of course it is.
And this is based purely on "luck" - he/she just happened to pick the right number to play
and won long term. The house surely didn't get their 'edge' at all from this person.

 

Of course. The HE does not apply to the player, only the game. Worldwide, the casinos will collect the HE on the game in the long run. The player is more effected by short term variance because he has a poor bet selection strategy. He has a poor understanding of the nature of random outcomes.

 

Agreed. I think most of the people who say playing certain methods or systems could never work think that it's one person against the casino and that's the game of roulette.
The casino doesn't care about the single player, and like said - the long term for them is everyone who plays and then the result over time..
According to them (the anti-system people) - anyone who wins was just lucky - and they can't do it again.
I've been playing for a longggg time (laughs). There is no mathematical way now for the 'house' to get their "edge" back from me unless I lost every bankroll I went in with, every time - for quite a while... or took a huge amount and just played until I lost it. So where is the house edge ? It's probably made up by some guy I don't know who plays everyday and loses and then complains and comes back tomorrow. The casino balances out and wins - I don't lose. Both can happen at the same time.

 

People don't realize that if you're a conservative player, have a good bet selection, and are always in complete control of your game, it's not that hard to get ahead of the casino and stay ahead. It takes a lot of study and self control. The HE has little to with it.