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Roulette 99% there?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by mr j, May 31, 2018.

  1. mr j

    mr j Well-Known Member

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    I feel I have all my ducks in a row with roulette. 99% not even debatable. Except ONE thing, bugging the s**t out of me for years now. >> When to quit when winning?

    I use the same rule now for years regarding when to quit when losing, no changes needed there.

    For winning, as it is now..... x1.5 of a net win, done for the day. *BUT* I also see the opposite view.
    If your method is that good, why not keep playing? and there is the issue, I do see BOTH sides though.

    My unit sizes are not small so I do get great wins, go home!

    I look at it, why PUSH it ?!?! Say I'm up 2k, if I quit right then, I am guaranteed to go home with 2k.
    If I keep playing, that guarantee no longer exists. It now becomes a MAYBE.

    Like I said, I see both sides!! Its really my *LAST* hurdle in this game!!

    Ken
     
  2. gizmotron2

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    That was my problem for years too. Here is what I have settled on. What percentage of your bankroll do you always reach every time you play? I mean the high point where you always at least reach that point. With even chance bets and big bet / small bet tactics, I always reached 5 or 6 big bets up. My goal was to get 20 to 40 big bets up. I always wanted that sequence for the win streak to bring me way up. If that came early then I wanted two win streaks. So I ended up losing a lot of sessions. But I was always up a few before losing.

    So I know I can reach 3 net wins up. I know that I can have a blast at $300 per day. If I prove that I always win, I mean every time, then I know that three net wins up is the stop point. S my suggestion is to see if you can find your always win point. If that is not possible then find an amount that you can live with and work that amount against your real play balance point. You are the only one that can figure out your own good enough point.
     
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    Rookie.
     
  4. mr j

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    Bottomfeeder Bombus, put that shotgun to your head and end it already. Do us ALL a favor.

    Ken
     
  5. Nathan Detroit

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    Ken ,

    Considering your method of play you have only ONE option once you reach your win goal and that is to walk.


    The second option is only for player with 18 or more numbers . If those players reach their win goal they should continue betting until the FIRST LOSS.


    For information only . PLAY AT YOUR OWN RISK .



    ND
     
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    @Nathan Detroit & Gizmo >> nice honest informative answers from adults. Thanks for posting. You are appreciated.

    Ken
     
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    BINGO and I think you're correct. I think you read my posts regarding, I stop at x1.5 of a gross win. I use $50 units ($1,750), playing 2-4 numbers. So 1.5 is around $2,600 done!

    Over my years, I have messed with x2.5 (nope, too high), x2 (nope, too high). x1.5 seems to be reached over and over again, almost with ease. There are crazy days, I reach my 1.5 in 10 spins. STOP for the day!! Do I win on every visit? Of course not.

    x4 is my BR. 3 winning days is a small profit = 1 losing day.

    I average 8 winning days per 1 losing day. Have I played 746 million spins? No.

    Ken
     
  8. Fossell

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    Something I struggle with too. But for me it's not when to quit and go home. Its when to reset my play. If something works then resetting your play should surely be the equivalent of that 'go home up' factor.

    But yes still I think gizmo is right. What percentage do you achieve most regular could be the best guide.

    I can get to 20%-50% up regularly. 100% up is my goal. Pushing it further in the same session can be my downfall.

    But then I'm pushing because Im still looking for that 99% consistent win rate. Part of getting there is knowing what TG knows and the other part is psychological. And thats a part I can on in the meantime!

    When you're on a good run the psychological wall of stopping your session and resetting becomes higher and harder to overcome.

    One of the biggest enemies in any form of gambling (far worse than the house edge) is yourself and the psychological aspect.
    You could say it's the 'fuck it' point. And the 'fuck it' point hits when your losing and winning. Your BR is halfway done - fuck it, push on.
    Your up 100%, fuck it, this is great I want more!

    Even if your a strict god damn robot in your play, that feeling comes every time. But if you can't ignore it, reset and stick to your game, it will start going the wrong way.
     
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    Part of this is also TIME. Some of us have to leave and deciding what to do in the NOW moment.

    Ken
     
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    True true. I suppose it depends on how your playing too and whether your b&m or online for the session.
     
  11. Nathan Detroit

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    R$EAL Men play at B & M only .


    ND
     
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    You can be on a nice hot streak (but still down) and if you have to leave, well, you gotta leave. Sucks, its happened to me before.

    Ken
     
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    Fossell, I like that word, reset. I've been talking about a 2-1, up and pull, type session suggested by NDetroit. That alone is quitting at 20 to 30% up. It can be enough if I'm using $100 units. But really what I'm looking at is to reset my game. That is how I practice too. I play about ten sessions a day. I reset with 6 charted spins with a $5 bet only for those first 6 spins, nearly zero in percentage of bankroll. I've been good at 10% of my bankroll as the big bet. I mean things are working out fine inside these brackets. I then play until I have my 3-unit-up net win. But that is where it's good to reset. I get tired after three to four hours of real play in a casino. I'll just have to see how it goes for the next six months. The actual results will tell me the sweat spot.
     
  14. Fossell

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    R£AL men also have responsibilities that don't allow me to go sit in there for even just 3 hours a week. Which is what would be needed for me. I can do it in less time online live. As much as I'd prefer b&m, time is precious and time is money.
     
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    That right there is another big psych danger and a precursor, to 'fuck-it' play.
     
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    On another note, one thing that always bugs me and pushes me further. In the back of my mind and from past experience with horse racing, it was always considered bad value and in the bookies favour to bet on anything with less than an even chance odds (1/1).
    Why would you risk your dollar/pound/euro/btc for less return than your risking?
    If you bet a man in the street 1 unit on the flip of a coin, you wouldn't risk that unit to only gain half a unit back on a win.
    So thats why 100%, evens money return is always what i'm after.

    Though I suppose you could also argue, that if your odds are less than evens that's because your bet has a higher chance of being successful. You trade value in the odds for greater success rate. But ultimately my goal has to be 100% return at least. Not necessarily in one session.

    What do you consider the greater victory?
    $100 bankroll – wins and ends with $200. $100 profit.
    $2000 bankroll - wins and ends with $2400. $400 profit
     
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    Cracksman the best European flat racer at the moment at 1,2/1 yesterday:
     
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    Holy shit what a ride! Perfect timing by dettori.
     
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    Epsom Downs is a special racecourse and according to John H. M. Gosden his trainer, it is not the cup of tea of his champion, indeed, the year before in 2017 he finished only 3rd. But even with the perfect conditions, a punter would be a fool to bet with such low odds because a horse is not a machine and can be defeated by an accident, therefore you need an error margin to fight those unexpected hazards with higher odds, I personally do not bet a horse below 10/1 for a win.
     

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