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TurboGenius Advantage of Repeaters explained - part 3 - 2020

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Mar 27, 2020.

  1. Ka2

    Ka2 Active Member

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    This has to be accumulated then to be fair. So say nr 1 is at position 1. And now nr 2 hits twice so is first at position 2. The x amount of spins from 1 has to be added to nr 2.

    I'll give it a go not hard to program.
     
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  2. Ka2

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    I calculated this a long time ago. And you know which horse I going to cross the most often from the 6 horses? The first one!

    However you are not right all the time and the spins from playing has to go some where. So you wind up with 1:37 and a max gap of 200 something. (in my tests)
     
  3. Ka2

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    Ok 1 nr played:

    Stats:

    Average hits in 20game: 12
    Average spins between hits (accumulated) 1:37
    Average max spins between hits 113
    Max spin 384!

    Compared to a random number played. Same stats
     
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    I have also tried to encode several options but I can't make it profitable in the long run.

    Regards.
     
  5. Platton

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    Not in order to be an opponent of your messages, you know Denz, I am very grateful to your messages. I just started rereading again, not the messages (I probably won't be able to), but the Turbo threads, but in parallel going to some other people where I haven't been yet. And then I immediately saw the Turbo message, which I haven't seen yet, but which again reminds me of everything I've already read many times.
    It's more of a reminder to yourself. That it was always not so much about hot numbers as about the "caught up" method!
     
  6. Denzie

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    384 .... Yeah, the less numbers, the bigger the gaps ... your data pretty similar with mine....

    Thx for your time and confirmation
     
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    In an effort to gather more information, can you answer how many spins were observed before making those selected bets? Just in that instance.
     

  8. TurboGenius

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    It was around 1 cycle of spins, so 37ish
     
  9. Denzie

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    At TG...

    Why is it that nobody can repeat your results?
     
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  10. Ka2

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    No problem!

    You know what is funny also I did a quick test. Playing 1 nr playing 2 all the way to 36 nrs.

    1 107 107
    2 51 102
    3 36 108
    4 36 144
    5 28 140
    6 24 144
    7 24 168
    8 15 120
    9 14 126
    10 11 110
    11 10 110
    12 10 120
    13 10 130
    14 9 126
    15 8 120
    16 8 128
    17 8 136
    18 8 144
    19 8 152
    20 8 160
    21 8 168
    22 7 154
    23 7 161
    24 6 144
    25 6 150
    26 4 104
    27 4 108
    28 4 112
    29 4 116
    30 4 120
    31 4 124
    32 3 96
    33 3 99
    34 3 102
    35 3 105
    36 3 108

    You see playing 1 nr had a max gap of 107 (short test) playing 2 was 51 but we have to multiply by 2 is 102 max gap. Etc etc.

    You will see there is not one iota of a difference in the amount of numbers you play. Would I have done the test longer you would have bigger gaps at all levels.
     
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  11. Denzie

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    OK but...if you could bet in a horse race at anytime you want/can...and there's 6( or so) horses at the same position battling to finish the lap first...would you keep your money on that first horse or wait till one finish the lap and then continue betting?
     
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  12. Ka2

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    That wouldn't matter, like I said I tested all variables. At one time I even tested with all 37 horses to see if there was an advantage when and how they would "finish" but unfortunately they are all 1:37, with the same max gaps.

    You see I would be fine with 1:37 on average, but if there somehow was an advantage in the max properties the we could use that with a small progression. But again no, I could not find it anywhere.
     
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    What was the result of the 37th slot?
     
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    That’s why… to begin with…
     

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    I also fail to see how that can help apart from stopping the bet if too many numbers hit same lap, just not sure @Denzie means after leader shows for new lap he bets just the leader or not leader but the contenders for 2nd spot (the latter does not give any good guarantees of a hit soon enough anyway).
    Since you've ran many tests, do you know max leader changes in a row from 1x to 12x (so roughly 220 spins), max leader staying the same in a row and averages?
    Possibly if its not too much to ask 2nd placed numbers stats to show in next lap top 2, same for 3rd?

    Potentially what people interested could look at is playing leaders in sections, to stay a leader, for example in lines, so you'd play max 6 numbers and if leader repeats you scratch that ,play to get half of them hit , you should in theory be in profit most if the time.
    I had a break but trying to look at things again and I'm still not wiser
     
  16. Denzie

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    Well , just bet all 3 numbers after a gap of 30 spins with a 70 step progression...grins

    Serious now...the max leader changes from 1x to 12x is......12
     
  17. Ka2

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    Betting 37 nrs all at once? The max gap would be 37
     
  18. TurboGenius

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    People have.

    The most I have seen is 4 lead changes and even this session made a profit.

    This is nonsense. For starters there isn't a lead horse at the beginning step because they all start at 0
    So the first to 1x isn't a "leader change".
    The first horse to win is also not a leader change because the race is over at that point.
    So the max you could have is 10 leader changes, I've seen 4 and I've tested a ton of spins.
    To say it's 12 is wrong and you're not doing something right obviously.
    To make it seem that the leader change count is high is wrong, in some rare case you could have
    more than 4 ? perhaps. Then again the same number can appear 5 times in a row but no one will ever see
    that happen. Maybe focus on what commonly happens instead of thinking of some extreme result as common.

    My quote from forever ago - know what's likely to happen and what isn't. Bet accordingly.
    This applies to any kind of bet selection approach. It's predictable. And yes there will be times
    when a freak run happens but if it happens 1 in 10,000 tries it doesn't matter at all.
     
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  19. HAL

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    So betting all slots and there could be still a gap. I hope you rethink you’re answer.
     
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  20. Ka2

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    They think they have...

    This is beyond me. I did a quick test of 100 sessions. The average is indeed 4 but a lot of 6's and 7's even one 8. So that you havent seen more than 4 is very hard to believe.
     

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