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Roulette Ask Me Anything About Betting the EC's (Even Chances)

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by SPIKE, Dec 9, 2021.

  1. Median Joe

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    Sure. But nobody (or even a sophisticated AI program) can guess better than random WHEN the patterns will repeat, or how long they will continue. This is what Gizmo is always saying and he's right. Experience just backs up the math. Suppose you see something like RR B RR B. Seems like a definite pattern, but why should the next outcome be R to continue the pattern? No reason at all, the chance is 50%, same as it breaking. If it was possible to predict how long a pattern continues outcomes wouldn't be random and a simple analysis would reveal the asymmetry. Tests for randomness and independence would fail and roulette would be beatable with just a little study.
     
  2. TwoUp

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    Trust you to turn it into something else other than math like the retard you are.
     
  3. Benas

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    Why do you think it is not explained?
    Everything has been explained for a long time, it's just that those who go to forums do not know ...

    They only know that the results are supposedly random, but they do not understand what function can be applied to them.
    They do not understand that these numbers are just stickers and that something is hiding under them.

    But there are those who understand what is hidden under these numbers and know what function can be applied to it.
    And when they do it all - the results are more - not random, but arranged according to a certain function ... and that is the reason why they can win ...
     
  4. TwoUp

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    It's a rhetorical question. My point is that we use math to solve extremely difficult problems where in the scheme of things roulette is grade school math.

    The anti-math "mythBoyz" say math doesn't and can't describe what happens on a roulette wheel and I say bull-shit. Math solves so many more complex problems that such a belief is only possible to have through pure ignorance.

    Not a single one of the handwaving reading randomess cult have made any kind of logical argument about the principle of how their method "works".

    They say it's random then they say they can predict or can guess or pick favourite euphemism for predict. Then they say there are phases and coincidences but at the same time the entropy rate doesn't change (because they don't know what entropy is) which is the only thing that can provide better than 1/37 or 1/38 odds.
     
  5. TwoUp

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    You haven't explained anything. You're a complete moron if you think you have explained anything other than "der, umm, hmmm, I make educated guesses".

    For fucks sake.
     
  6. Benas

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    Ok math which must know is not from grade school...maybe high school with something aditional.

    The main problem is that even people who are very good at maths can't understand or believe in something... or they don't have the motivation to spend time on it.
    The point is that it's not really maths, maths has many varieties and people just don't know the part that's needed...

    And those who know do not think it is appropriate to talk about it ... so they created a mite about a way of playing where the player visually calculates something during a spin :)...
     
  7. SPIKE

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    But I have and if I were to do it again right now you would say, oh yeah, you're right. But I'm not going to because it would be a waste of time.
     

  8. TwoUp

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    Sure you can get into physics and more advanced statistical tests.

    The fundamentals are enough that even a child can see a coin flip is 1/2. Rolling a dice is 1/6. Basic counting of pockets is enough to explain roulette outcomes and probability of being right or wrong with a guess.

    But some forum members claim to have magical powers to guess outcomes. Apparently they don't "predict" and they don't make their guesses based on past results because they also want to be seen to say that results are totally random and independent and cannot be predicted.

    They maintain that by not using the "P" word means the roulette wheel will let them be right and place a bet and win it more than random, indeed more than 80%.

    Because that is not "predicting", they say.

    But the amusing thing is they can't make their guess without looking at the past results... and still they say the past doesn't influence the future but they still need those observations.

    Oh the intellectual hall of mirrors the mythBoyz inhabit.
     
  9. SPIKE

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    The next outcome is always 50/50 more or less. But you have to be aware of other things going on besides just the pattern you're looking at. There are other factors to be considered, that's why it's called educated guessing. You have educated yourself as to what these other factors are and by putting them all together you can make fairly correct choices on where to bet. If you've looked at enough outcomes over a long enough time it all becomes second nature. Randomness on a roulette wheel ebbs and flows and you learn when to bet and when to stay out. But you have to study it or it just looks like gobbledygook nonsense to you. And I mean study it for a long time not just two months. For your average compulsive greed addicted gambler 2 hours of study is torture.
     
  10. SPIKE

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    Is this a joke? I have always said and always maintained that every single educated guess I make is totally 100% based on past outcomes. Are you freaking kidding me. I've only said this hundreds of times. Why am I even bothering talking to you because you don't have the vaguest idea what's going on. What did you think I was doing, consulting a Ouija board and a Magic 8 Ball? It's called reading randomness, which means reading past results. Good God almighty, do try and get all the facts before you make judgments. Read Gizmo thread called reading randomness, it's a phrase we coined 15 years ago. What the hell did you think it means or did you even think about it at all.
     
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  11. TwoUp

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    Which is it? That past results do matter to the current results or that they don't because every result is random and fully independent?

    On one hand you say you use the past to make your predictions (educated guesses in Spike speak) and then you back flip and say it's all random.

    Which is it?

    You can't have it both ways.
     
  12. SPIKE

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    The reason roulette can be beaten is because the outcomes are totally independent. It's because the results are random and not connected that the game can be exploited. The past results do not in any way affect current results but that does not mean they are not pointing in a certain direction. Sometimes. You just have to learn to realize when those times are happening. All it takes is study and observation. Something which you will never do.
     
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    Not enough, because every number pocket has a different chance to catch the ball....

    I will repeat - all problems and not understandings came from fact that peoples see only sticks... So they see sticks, or candy wrappers and try to talk about the quality of the candy...

    The "others" simply eat the candy and talk about quality depending on whether they like it or not.

    Now think, who of them has a greater chance to be right ? ;)
     
  14. TwoUp

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    Not on a maintained wheel.
     

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    Not know what that maintained wheel is, but no matter, still every pocket has different chances, only you must see not only sticks.
    Sticks one day can be one, another - others... and finally, they will give you unexpected results which have no information...
     
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    OK, @Benas MathBoy .. which function would you apply to this
    stackoverflow.com/questions/72503464/distribution-the-most-intense-points-in-the-fluctuation-of-frequency
     
  17. Benas

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    How idiotic must be a man to write such things :D:
     
  18. David Gregory

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    However, patterns do repeat. That is why you had RRB RRB in the first place. RRBBRR RBRBRB RRRRR Patterns constantly repeat, you can count on it. At least in my world.
     
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    Ahem, envious ..
     
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    @Benas, as an example .. in advanced physics, the guys are calculating the density of sparks flying about when buffing and cutting steel .. amongst many other things, like thermodynamics (1st, 2nd, .., order of change/transition) -- in statistics, you could calculate the expected highest density of burst of the 'q event' .. using for example what .. ?? integrals ??

    must be some merging of disciplines in an advanced way to get the proper formula, or are you saying that its not possible at all!? you are a mather ..
     
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