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Baccarat Baccarat Prediction software based on AI

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by stephen, Nov 4, 2021.

  1. stephen

    stephen Active Member

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    Have you used Prediction software based on AI? What is your opinion?

    Evidently the use of prediction software will be limited to online baccarat and to stadium baccarat if the software is loaded on a smart phone. Software on a smart phone will be limited by memory limitations.

    There are also software on smartphone that will not predict the outcome but will give information to aid you in predicting the outcome.
     
  2. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    If yer talkin about usin software to predict p or b then I would say it's useless. But, I understand there are some app software that will allow you to count to take advantage of certain side bet, hey hey.
     
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  3. stephen

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    Thanks for your input.

    If you go to Google Play Store there are a number of apps to predict p or b based on the input of cards of the previous hand.

    If you go to youtube and search for baccarat prediction software there are number of advertisements with actual play in a online casino using the software.

    I bought an inexpensive prediction software from amazon. The book you buy tells where to get the software and the code to open the software. You can see the software in action in youtube in a online casino. I could not load the software on my smartphone, perhaps due to memory limitations. I play online most of the time, which is allowed in the State I live. The thing I like in the software is that I can superimpose the software screen on the Evolution baccarat screen and input the date in the software screen. What I do not like in the software is the prediction is based on the count of the cards displayed, which I know is not relevant in baccarat. I am looking for a software where I input P or B, and the software predicts based on formulae in the software.

    A baccarat forum sells baccarat software for android phones for $ 397 to aid you in selecting P or B.
     
  4. Punkcity

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    Maybe your wasting your time and money there. I have seen people over the years using similar, their hit and miss ratio is no better or worse than you average player in any casinoverse. The only difference is the average player didn’t spend the hundreds of dollars on a device that is most likely more useless then they are.

    The people I have spoken to that has used them at the table or at stadium usually discard it after a short period. The MAIN One reason they discard it is exactly the very reason they bought it. They have no patient to go through the drawdown of losing using what ever stake plan they use.

    If I could advise you , if you would listen, I would suggest buying a second hand one on eBay or whatever, if you find it on eBay one should ask oneself, is why is it getting resold ?
    if you are going to buy a system, or a program only buy one in your lifetime, they are all the same just dressed up in different packages, save the money from NOT being a system junkie buyer and use that money to bet on the decision YOU make for yourself and accept the responsibility of your actions rather than blaming your loses on , as Homer Simpson would say “ stupid systems took my money” It’s worth thinking about, it may save you money, it may save you from becoming a degenerate gambler, it may make you realise that this game is not for you. That’s not a bad admission to make.
    Good luck. Cheers
     
  5. soxfan

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    Why do cats need a software prediction when betting bankers only is the only shrewd play, hey hey????
     
  6. stephen

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    I fully agree that betting bankers only is the only shrewd play in the long run at the present. The software will help you in knowing how much you are down or up taking vig into account and how much to bet if you are using a progression.

    Some of us still think that a computer enhanced with artificial intelligence can predict better than human brain and we are prepared to spend our time and money towards this objective.
     
  7. Punkcity

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    I hear you brother and I look forward to to the culling of the gene pool, what Covid missed , hopefully the ai will do the mop up.

    Here’s a thought I wonder if road rage will still exist with ai drive cars. Lol.
    Good luck with your endeavour Stephen. Cheers
     

  8. Zhang Wei

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    Self taught AI will eventaully play better than humans whatever the game is. chess, baccarat etc

    Are humans able to learn the insights that these AI will bring?
     
  9. machv5

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    If you are referring to using AI to predict a live table game that is using a human or mechanical card shuffler to shuffle an 8 deck shoe with a yellow card separator placed a deck or two from the end then yes the software would be no better than a human. However if you are referring to a computer program version of the game that generates results from a PRNG then I would disagree. The software games are limited to only being able to use a Pseudo Random Number Generator not a true Random Number Generator which would describe a human shuffling multiple decks. Hell even one deck has a truly mind boggling number of possibles, look up 2 card factorial on youTube and watch a video on it. Theoretically it only requires enough previous results in order to eventually crack its pattern. I tried a couple of predictors and found one that would get the prediction wrong nearly 75 percent of the time. At least it seemed to during the first 50 hands or so. I couldn't say as to whether this changed or not as the app would crash within about 20 to 50 hands. But that it seemed to get the answer wrong so regularly and above half the time in itself is very very useful. You just have to bet against its prediction to profit. Now I have to mention that I didn't use it more than a handful of times and that a week or few months would go by in some cases between my using it but regardless of the device I used it on or game I used it with from one developers game it acted in the same way by failing more than half the time to get it right. Psychologically I couldn't get passed the going against its prediction and technically betting to lose that I only tried it on free to play games. I may change that though the next time I play online just to see. I can play a real money software game that has bets between one and five hundred which gives you a few more double ups possible before you reach the table limit. It's just mind numbing tedium to play such a lifeless strategy and only coming out a dollar ahead each time. I'm not sure I could get in enough hands to make more than 20 an hour and playing like that isn't worth the discipline needed and you could easily wipe your winnings out by a long losing streak if not go into the hole.
     
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    [QUOTE="Here’s a thought I wonder if road rage will still exist with ai drive cars. Lol.
    Good luck with your endeavour Stephen. Cheers[/QUOTE]

    One thing's for sure you'll see a lot more heart attacks and strokes from the near misses when you leave it up to ai to drive. If the current state and abysmal proficiency of autocorrect and translate are any measure then I'd wait at least 20yrs of progress to help lessen the bugs in that software and hardware. All it would take is to turn on your random address VPN to locate you in another country after a reboot for the ai to swerve you into the oncoming lane because it thinks it's in London not Vancouver.
     
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  11. Jae

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    If there were an AI app that tried to predict the next outcome, it would always pick Banker; unless the initial programming had very limited and minimal data in which the program had to learn from trial and error. In that case, it may select banker or player in the way which anyone could do, but after learning, it would only select banker. All of the current baccarat predictors on these app stores are just random number generated apps, albeit, some might have preprogrammed triggers, but I don’t see the good in that or why a programmer would go out of their way to do it.

    An AI app that counted all the cards as they were dealt to try and squeeze the nearly non existent advantage you might have would be so insignificant that it most likely wouldn’t even work. An AI app that counted bonus bets and told you when and how much to bet would be an absolutely and highly effective program that could make anyone with the right bankroll and patience a rich person.
     
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  12. stephen

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    Agreed that an AI app will always pick Banker. The question is whether AI can be trained to pick those Banker Bets that have a positive vig and eliminate those that have negative vig. Can AI be trained to be selective in picking banker bets?
     
  13. machv5

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    If you set it up to only find the pattern structure based on previous results list which increases in length every hand played. It would use pattern recognition and it's ratio of correct predictions based on that data and giving it a target goal of over 60% to achieve it would not settle down into the always bet banker routine. It would also be able to discern when a tie bet is favorable to start placing. For those software generated games that don't incorporate an 8 deck shoe but starts from scratch each game as if it were new deck everytime it would make it easier for the ai to figure out the gameplay. For all we know those games with only you as the player aren't using any actual form of true baccarat but rather it's outcomes are based on whatever odds it has been programmed to give you and that has to have a pattern because there is no actual true random number generator there are only pseudo random number generators out there and they all have a seed and pattern to them. It should be possible for ai to discern the seed from past results or at least get close enough to its pattern in a reasonable amount of time until it does find the seed accurately.
     
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    By pattern structure based on previous results. I mean that it isn't told that it's a baccarat game with all its intrinsic attributes but use only the outcomes like they were some weird three sided coin that is being flipped and each of its sides have a different chance of coming up based initially on true odds but is then refined into the odds that the program has actually been programmed to give which doesn't have to be based in the reality of baccarat but can be whatever the casino is giving you.
     

  15. Jae

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    You see the game in simple terms. Im afraid that creates a fallacy for you. There is no discernible pattern in baccarat. AI won’t see one because it doesn’t exist, if it did—we would have figured out the triggers a long time ago. If someone created an AI that guessed throughout the game and didn’t only bet on banker, then they have successfully created a really stupid program. Take any pattern you want, any string of results, for example:

    BBPBPPPPBPPPPPP

    or

    PPBBBPBPBPBPBPB

    it doesn’t matter what string of events you come up with or how long or short the pattern is, the next bet is always going to favor the banker. If you don’t believe that, then you’ve only created a bias for yourself. Take the pattern you see, and compare it to dozens or hundreds, but the best thing would be thousands of the same pattern from other shoes, and you’ll see that the next bet would have been best placed on banker. When you bet the way you are suggesting, the only hope you have is variance. Some call it luck, some call it skill. Those with skill, tend to subscribe to a combination of methods, many like to play a hit and run and think they are somehow outplaying the odds, and some might in the long run, but that’s a small amount.

    If someone was going to invest the time and money and resources into creating an AI that helped you guess what to bet on, that would be a foolish endeavor in my opinion. If the AI is really intelligent and makes the focus on beating baccarat instead of guessing what comes up next, then I think it could happen. It would create a money management system and either never make a bet if it thinks the game can’t be beat, or it will put together its plan and make the game a machine. I don’t know what it would do and I think it depends on its perimeters. if it could skip infinite amount of hands, or if it’s forced to play a certain percentage of a shoe. It might even implement a mechanical betting sequence. I don’t think it would bet on player though, and I highly doubt it would ever bet on tie unless all the cards were being played in the shoe.
     
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    I understand that baccarat does not follow a discernable pattern if it's played in real life using physical decks of cards that are shuffled. But that isn't the same as a game that is software based. It may outwardly look like a bricks and mortar baccarat game but its results are generated by a prng not multiple shuffled decks of cards. There is an adage in engineering that bleeds over into software engineering and that is "make it as simple as it needs to be and no simpler" to code up the complexity of a real baccarat game is far more complex and difficult to achieve than it is to just use a prng to generate results for you and to just have a bunch of pre made visual elements of a game. The main focus point is the pseudo part of the random number generator it is redundant pretend random means not random meaning it has a pattern. Any software engineer will agree that as far as yet there are no true random number generators only pseudo ones. The pattern may be huge maybe even too big to find the solution in a reasonable amount of time but it is there. You could spend a few days in shifts gathering data from results and then run those through a simulator at high speed until your AI is able to replicate those results on its own and then reduce the number of data points needed in order for the AI to sync itself to the game. Does that make sense?
     
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    I have what you want, you can get in touch with me
     
  18. machv5

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    OK how much is the software and where do I get to use a free trial version to make sure it works before I buy it? If it works I seriously have no problem paying you ten times your asking price. Money can be held in escrow until I can verify that it is legit and I'm not being ripped off. I could write software that functions visually but doesn't actually do the job It's supposed to do. And there are lots and lots and lots of scams out there. And yes I'm fully aware of the irony in my statement. I've lost thousands upon thousands upon thousands to the casino's already I'm not interested in losing more to some scammer selling fake software too. I also realize that if such a program exists why would someone want to have others using it and risk having it become thwarted by a rewrite to the game. Besides if it works selling it wouldn't give you more profits than you'd make from simply using the app yourself. I am more interested in developing something that hasn't been created yet with someone than buying a ready made solution in need of a sucker. But if it's legit then a free trial period shouldn't be an issue only a scam would be.
     
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    Bbbbwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh, the Jae wastin his times and efforts tryin to talks sense to coconuts, hey hey.
     
  20. machv5

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    Yawn. Gotta love trolls
     

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