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Baccarat Baccarat with Shuffle and Shoe System (FYI: Not here to argue)

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by R19, May 20, 2018.

  1. Jimske

    Jimske Member Founding Member

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    Varmenti why can't you stop and restart every 20 hands? So that way you can get three sessions in one shoe.
     
  2. Jimske

    Jimske Member Founding Member

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    I'm only repeating what I previously said because there may be new players reading this thread.

    If you can win flat betting that means you win more hands than lose. If you win more hands then lose pretty much any progression, dumb or not, will win. This is academic and indisputable
     
  3. varmenti

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    Go for it. I havn't tried that but who knows maybe you will be on to something that will make this more profitable.
     
  4. Jimske

    Jimske Member Founding Member

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    No thanks. I'm pretty satisfied with my play as is but I am always interested in looking at new stuff.

    I did look at your 1st demo. I get it. I looked at the last one and of course noticed you gambled the last bet and luckily won. Otherwise who knows? I would assume you've played enough to be able to "see ahead" and know what kind of shoe pattern or signature will benefit or hurt. Obviously longer runs will help and certain chop patterns will have you losing or treading water.

    There is no magic or optimum in stopping at a predetermined number of hands. Incorporating a stop win/loss always good for the head though inconsequential to profit/loss. I probably wouldn't quit a good winning shoe until I started to give back too much which would be apparent by the pattern change and chip losses. I also would probably set a stop loss regardless of number of hands. Is that what you do in reality?

    Finally, I'm pretty sure if one played this long enough as you describe it one would eventually lose.
     
  5. jbs

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    I'm 1000000000000000% certain, no, I GUARANTEE anyone playing with some sort of system, money management, voodoo, following trends, patterns, you name it, will eventually lose!
     
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  6. Jimske

    Jimske Member Founding Member

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    You'll get no argument from me. This totally a guessing and betting game. So since I decided to keep track I now have logged 3,137 wagers and have won 53.71% of them. Go figure!
     
  7. Mcvince

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    Yes you're right. But what happens when you have that day from hell and you can't win a blessed thing? Now you are in a heap of trouble. At least if you are flat betting you can keep your loss at a minimum.
     
  8. Mcvince

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    I'm 1000000000000000% certain, no, I GUARANTEE that you are an idiot and don't need baccarat to be a loser.

    I'm 1000000000000000% certain, no, I GUARANTEE that you are just a loser.
     
  9. jbs

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    Vince, you have no fucking clue. I'm a high rolling advantage player beating almost every casino game there is. In no god damn way will you or anyone beat any game with a "system", "method", or whatever kind of shit you want to wrap it in. You'll NEVER be like me or any other successful AP. So take your stupid ass off your mommas computer and fuck off!!!
     
  10. Mcvince

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    Prove it stupid. You only offer negative stupid comments. What are you even on here for? It really easy to say you are an AP. I am a whale that gets flown in to play once a month in Vegas. There, I just lied like you did.
     
  11. varmenti

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    Play no attention to my betting at the end of the shoe. It's just a fun stupid thing I do just for kicks but I would never do that at live table. I've been playing live dealer baccarat at celticcasino.com check it out.
     
  12. Jimske

    Jimske Member Founding Member

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    I'n not sure you are looking at progressions in the proper light. Sure, if you use a deep spread and continuous non-stop neg prog you can get "bankrolled out" or hit table max. But varmenti net betting partner stuff, for example, only goes 20 wagers a shoe. What's his shoe from hell draw down? A 20 long chop? I didn't work it out but what is the max possible draw down? I doubt if it is not recoverable.

    So even flat betting one could hit a shoe from hell, whatever that is. Same goes with flat. If never raise your bet a really bad shoe could be difficult to recover from. Even if one stops at a 5 unit loss per shoe doesn't mean that it isn't possible to have that repeated. When it does the flat bettor also has a long road back.

    Personally I don't have a shoe from hell. I know that I will achieve at least a 49% + win rate. As long as I have adequate bankroll and design my progressions appropriately (I use both up and down) properly I will overcome a severe draw down.

    Real example from 6/12/18: LLLL W LLLL WW L W LL. lMAO! 26.6% right out of the gate! Is that severe enough? No problem. That just tells me that I am "owed" a LOT of wins and they will come. So then L W L WWW L WWW now still only 44% win but I am now just break into the black or about even. I finished the session with a 56% win rate. So, my friend, you see? Variance goes both ways!
     
  13. Jimske

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    LOL Really? Never lose discipline? Well, maybe your wife hits you up side the head when you do so you don't!

    First. Let's just give the benefit of the doubt and say you do win playing exactly as described without any alterations. If so no way you're averaging anywhere near $200.00 a shoe playing quarters. For anyone reading - think about it! Get a good an occasional big win and also occasional big loss. Rest of the time losing a little, winning some - different amounts - whatever. It's going to look like a bell curve if you plot all the shoes out with the majority bunched up at the top of the bell AND those averages going to be losing/winning and averaging much lower than $200.00 a shoe.

    Now I don't like calling anyone liar but I will venture that if you run this method through a program of real shoes going to find out it falls apart. However, this is not to say one might use this as a base structure to accrue comp points and wins if he/she learn how to pick and choose shoe signatures.
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  14. Jimske

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    Now you are sounding like a shill! Why would this online live play be any better than others that are readily available?
     
  15. Jimske

    Jimske Member Founding Member

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    So maybe you could say something about your Baccarat play? Don't have to give away the farm but since you don't use a "system" or "method" it shouldn't be difficult to explain a little.

    Otherwise, like Vince, it just becomes more noise.
     
  16. John Blerg

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    Please r19 come back, why did you stop talking?
     

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