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Craps Balancing Dice Instructions ...

Discussion in 'Craps Forum' started by Harley, Jun 24, 2015.

  1. Harley

    Harley Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    The Following Instructions were developed by LittleJoeCraps.com and are best used with the following instrument to test the balance of dice:

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    Quality Assurance Guidelines For Balancing Dice Management

    While testing procedures to follow for dice in most State Gaming Commission Regulations is addressed, there are not any specific instructions or required training on how to actually conduct and use the tools that are stated in the Regulations. Some of the tools that are to be used could be relegated to an individual's common sense on how it should be used; however, after many years of observing casino employees conducting the inspection and testing of dice, it is clear that the majority do not know how to adequately conduct these tests, or do not take this requirement seriously. This is especially true, and most importantly, with respect to testing the dice for balance.

    While the Balancing Caliper could be considered a crude tool and method to address if a dice cube is balanced, if used properly and the individual conducting the test knows how and what they are looking for, it can be effective.

    The degree of imbalance in a die is variable, but if it can be determined that there is any imbalance in a die, it and the entire sleeve of matching serial numbers must be rejected for acceptance and use to comply with the balance requirements in the Regulatory Language.

    1. The Balancing Caliper shall be placed on a solid flat level surface to conduct the tests. (ie. the table bankroll cover).

    2. There are two methods that can be used to place the die into the cups of the Balancing Caliper. The first can be used mostly for speed and ease in performing the general balance testing - the opposing corners of the die shall be placed in the cups of the Balancing Caliper while adjusting the cups to allow the opposing corners to rest loosely near the bottom of each cup and with the axis between the two opposing corners as level as possible. Proceed with the test as stated in #s 3, 4 and 5 as follows, except when an imbalance is suspected.

    If an imbalance is indicated or suspected while performing the test by the first method, the test shall proceed using the second method that differs only by more careful placement of the opposing corners as near to the center of the cup and careful adjustment of the cups to allow the die to rotate freely without slowing and affecting the spin rate, yet maintaining the axis between the opposing corners to remain as level as possible when conducting tests as stated in #s 3, 4 and 5 as follows. This second method is more precise because the opposing corners are rotating and sitting on a more vertical surface of the Balancing Caliper's cups.

    3. Spin the die and observe that it is spinning freely with the spin rate not being affected by the cups being too tight to effect a slower spin rate. This rate does not have to be fast, and an imbalance will show itself on how the spinning die comes to a stop.

    4. A balanced die will come to a slow stop and it will NOT stop and reverse direction and then spin in the opposite direction. An imbalanced die will stop spinning and reverse the spin direction and rotate in the opposite direction, and could stop again and rotate in the opposite direction again and again. This is the heavy imbalance side of the axis seeking its bottom in relation to the Balancing Caliper. The tester must observe which numbered face comes the closest to an upright position in relation to the Balancing Caliper, and then proceed to

    5. Spin the die again in the opposite direction as the first test spin while observing the same
    as stated in #s 3 and 4.
    Note if the die reverses spin rotation again and which numbered face is most upright again. Many times it will be the same face that is most upright, or the same face will be the second most upright. In which case,​

    6. The die must be removed from the Balancing Caliper and retested with different opposing corners. The tester must be looking for similar results as the previous tests and must follow the same procedures as above.

    7. It has been determined in #s 4, 5 and 6 above that the die is imbalanced and the sleeve must be rejected. There is no need to test the remaining dice in the sleeve of matching serial numbers. The rejected die must be identified and noted which numbered face(s) was coming the most upright when the die came to rest. Then follow the procedures for rejecting dice from play.

    Original reference --> http://www.littlejoecraps.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=209#p493
     
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  2. Harley

    Harley Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    The problem is that most casino employees either:

    1. Don't use a caliper (most of Nevada);
    2. Just go thru the motions without paying attention or knowing what they are doing;
    3. Look for a heavy wobble or look for the caliper to jump up from the table :rolleyes: o_O ;
    4. Grab the die out of the caliper before it stops spinning ...
     
  3. Pressit

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    Harley

    Very illuminating. You are doing yeoman's work. I have been meaning to ask you this for awhile, but is it true that hitting the backwall is a casino requierment and not the Nevada Gaming Commission?
     
  4. Harley

    Harley Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    Pressit - you are correct ... this is usually a state by state rule, however, in the Wild Wild West of Nevada there are no statutory craps rules so each house or each Box or each Stickman can make up their own backwall rules in Nevada
     
  5. Pressit

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    Makes me wonder what other "rules as they go" are out there?:oops:
     
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  6. superrick

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    I'm working on something that will be very interesting to all of the know it all's that love to tell us that we don't know what we are talking about, because if the so-called Di's found out about it they may stop going to these on axis DI schools. The fact is they don't give any of their students any information about the dice they will use in the casinos they are playing in! The funny thing is Heavy will tell his students that he certified the dice to be balanced in the casinos he says he played in. Now I'm sure that he walked up to the table and told them that he is the great Heavy and he took out his own Balancing Caliper, because the casino he said he was at didn't even have one and they let him test them,...Yea right!

    They want to keep all of their students in the dark about a lot of things that has to do with the game,... Like unbalanced dice!
     
  7. $nakeEye$

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    Out of curiosity -

    WHEN was the last time either YOU or Harley employed your dice balancing program in any casino ?

    Again - BOTH of you are talking out of the side of your mouth !

    You both criticize OTHERS - BUT - YOU are NO different than the ones YOU criticize !

    You two girls need to grow up, get a REAL LIFE and quit your bitching !

    Notice I referred to YOU as GIRLS -

    LADIES have MORE CLASS than either of you will ever possess !

    MY OPINION !

    $...eE..$
     
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  8. Harley

    Harley Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    ... Someone :d1::d1: is doing some late night "classy" drinking around their keyboard o_O :rolleyes:

    And you know what -- I didn't need a Balancing Caliper to figure out you are out of balance right now
     
  9. $nakeEye$

    $nakeEye$ Active Member Founding Member

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    NO - SOMEONE - namely ME - is challenging YOU to make a VALID response to your BS statements -

    Attacking ONE BS'r at a time !

    1st YOU then YOUR " Amigo " - Sorry " AMIGA " !

    " O " is masculine - " A " is feminine !

    MY NEW purpose in life !

    $...eE..$
     

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