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Roulette Basics - that no one wants to hear

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Nov 21, 2015.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I've been doing this now for over 3 decades - that said...

    There are some major problems lately with the mindset of people who work on systems/methods.
    From what I've been reading, this almost covers everyone as well - I'm not sure why.

    I'm just going to point some things out, probably no one will agree with me - but if you think about it, you'll understand - and if not, 30 years later you'll agree with me lol.

    Roulette - where the next spin has nothing to do with the last spin, the numbers aren't pulled from the list of numbers after they show up - not like balls in a lottery machine, each spin is independent from the last.

    1) "Trigger"
    Waiting for something to happen before betting is a waste of time.
    There is no even that somehow signals what the future event will be.

    2) "Virtual bets"
    "NOT" betting for whatever reason, and then trying to use that info on future
    spins is a waste of time. If you have a system/method that works - by "not" betting -
    you are losing out on winning spins. If your system/method doesn't work, then you
    are only prolonging the time that it loses. There's no value in "not betting", this falls into
    the same boat as triggers. So "not losing" because you didn't bet on a virtual spin isn't winning.
    And not winning because you were not betting on a spin where you would have won is
    also not winning, it's a waste of time.

    3) "Leaving the casino/table after 'x' happens"
    Stopping and leaving the casino when "X" happens - either in profit or loss, or some event happens
    doesn't change the long-term. A player who goes into a casino using this type of play can keep a total of their spins over a year, while player "B" can play the same number of spins nonstop and they will have equal results. The next spin after your 'rule' tells you to stop and leave could be the one that puts your loss back into a profit, or vice-versa. So nothing is accomplished.
    "If you're ahead - stop" is probably the best advice. or "If you've lost your bankroll, go home".
    But some "trigger" that happens and you feel it's time to stop or change tables - simply isn't logical.
    By stopping and leaving, you can prolong a loss or prevent a further win - both don't change because you stop and come back next week.

    These are just the first 3 obvious ones that recently seem to appear in every method, and I understand that those who believe in them won't just stop thinking that way but I'm telling you that you have to change how you look at the game.
    Roulette is a math game, it's as simple as that.
    Math - doesn't change in any way whatsoever - triggers, virtual play, stop loss/leaving doesn't change math - nor does anything else you can come up with when it comes to creative bet amounts or timing your play.

    I'm not anti-system, I'm just the opposite - but people should know that this is math, nothing more.
    The house edge is there regardless of 1, 2 or 3 above (and others) and that can't be avoided unless you understand math and how it can be used in your favor regardless of the edge the house has. None of the 3 above help with that.

    Thanks for reading.
     
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    Check out this site on roulette http://saliu .com/best-roulette-systems.html

    I am sure your brain will melt!
     
  4. TurboGenius

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    Selling someone a system is more profitable then not getting paid to tell people the truth lol
     
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    Yeah, that is so.

    Systems in casinos don't work, but strategy does.
     
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    Darn it. Where did I leave my popcorn?

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  7. REV

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    Hi turbo,so from what i can gather,no system is worth playing even those that use maths?Can u answer me a question,maybe a silly one but i disagree,if you have 6 numbers that have slept 90 spins you say there is no advantage playing them.?am i wrong that if u choose to bet on any six numbers this is the same? i know its very old ground but im interested in your reply.
     

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    Yep, if I had the energy, I could go old school and bring up some "what ifs" from back in the day. Fun stuff, sorta.

    Ken
     
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    No - I never said that no system is worth playing - the opposite actually, but using any of the 3 things I mentioned are a waste of time. It has to be based on math to work, and you can't use stop points or virtual bets, and when you choose to leave won't change the outcome. There are ways to play that don't use the things I mentioned.
     
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    Rev,

    Why on earth would you believe that cold numbers could offer any kind of an advantage?

    If a wheel is biased, even slightly, then playing six numbers that have slept for 90 spins is one way in which you could lose at a rate that could actually exceed the house edge. In other words, it's a really bad idea to play such cold numbers.
     
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  11. TurboGenius

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    I couldn't agree more
     
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    Me too!
     
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    yes i agree cold numbers sleepers,bad idea,BUT the math says there due to hit,you may play hot numbers but they go cold as well at some point,unless the wheel has a bit of bias,taking away bias,bog standard wheel you can measure the frequency which turns into a repeat.what goes up must come down, common sense.sleepers are what kill all methods,when u bet on any numbers u have know way of knowing if they will sleep or not.There isnt one person who can write anything in stone about roulette .many have tried,all have failed.
     
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    SYSTEM FOR SALE ...LMAO
     

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    You walk into a casino,decide to bet on 6 numbers,1,2,3,4,5,6.........they stay asleep for 90 spins,end of bankroll.If u would have waited the ninety spins then bet you would have hit at least one number.
     
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    The math doesn't say that they are "due" to hit. In the random game of roulette the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, so there's no reason that any number should become "due" to hit just because it hasn't hit for long time.
     
  17. REV

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    lol....herb test it,as a group,u might save yourself some money,lmao
     
  18. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Test what? "And save me money?" Why? FYI...I don't play such systems.

    Why do you believe numbers become "due" to hit?

    Google search: gambler's fallacy
     
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    lol...u play kens methods when theirs no biased wheels available.....F.Y.I u had a sense of humor once Caleb.
     
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    Ken's method? LOL. :)
     

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