Baccarat Beatable Game?

Hello,

I've recently come across a version of no commission baccarat that is very intriguing. I was playing at a casino in Vegas and thought it was like normal no commission (pays 0.5 to 1 if bank wins with 6) but when i won with 6 I was payed 1 to 1. I asked the pit boss and she explained there was no commission and bank always pays 1 to 1. I asked where they get their house edge and she said from the side bets. There was about 9 side bets you play. Naturally I'm thinking to go in there and flat bet banker until they telling me to leave. Is it possible that a casino will knowingly allow a winning game and just hope people will play the side bets and lose?

 

It's possible to win well and regular at the baccarats even paying vig on bankers bet if ya do so in the strategic fashion. I'd be interested to learn the name of the casino offering a straight no vig on bank bets with no push or shorts pay to offset, hey hey.

 

There is also a no commission version (E Z Baccarat) that has a banker push on a 3 card Banker win with 7 points (player bet loses, banker bet pushes). The house edge on the banker side is on the banker push (Dragon 7).

 

I verified with another pit boss today. If banker wins with a 3 card 7 its a push. I still feel like this game is winnable long term flat betting banker? Anyone know the edge on this?

 

The house edge is lowered on this baccarat version to -1.02% vs. commission baccarat, a pretty good deal. If you like using a negative progression, you won't have the 5% commission constantly grinding away at your larger bets, which is nice, although if your winning bet falls on a push it is a bit frustrating.

 

YAY! Someone has finally asked a baccarat question I am qualified to answer. I have experience with exactly this promo.

1. Yes if you bet only bank it's a positive expectancy.
2. Yes if you bet only bank they will back you off.

The knowledge of casino baccarat pit bosses when it comes to the probability of the side bets is nearly non-existent. They aren't trained and I almost guarantee you that if you came up a with a count system to make SOME side bets only when the casino edge was at its least they would never notice.

You would have to come up your own system. How good are you at advanced statistical modeling?

 

The banker push prevents it from being +EV. Sort of like the come out 12 push on the don't side in craps.

 

Ignore the house edge and the commission concentrate on winnings.


ND

 

So basically, it's break-even when betting bank and the side bets are crap...

Homey don't play break-even...

 

Several years ago, in order to lure players at their baccarat tables one Strip casino canceled the vig on Banker bets.
At first this casino won money nonetheless (lol), but it had to stop the 'promotion' a month later for obvious reasons.

I'm not surprised that even now a casino tries this ploy to get players in their premise.
We know that the amount of side bets offered at bac tables is virtually infinite, each one of them burdened by a 7% or more negative edge for the player.
As long as players bet one or more side bets, the B wager must be calculated accordingly.

Finally, black jack had taught us that even a 2.2% math player's advantage could endure long losing situations lasting months.
Most baccarat players want to win at every session played and the math B propensity alone managed by wrong hands could be very dangerous.

 

OK, you got me... ND 1 | FK 0

I'll bite. What on Earth do you mean? and be kind. I'll take any answer you give without comment or rebuttal.

YOU HAVE MY WORD!

I just have to know.

 

I still see a possible soft spot in this, if counting is possible. I am NOT qualified with my currently limited time to do the FULL analysis. Back when I was young dumb and full of cum, perhaps. I'm calling in some BIG guns and I promise to share what I learn from them as I was clued in here.

Again, you have my word. I have a very strong professional ethic that goes well beyond what I agree to do. It's an assumed handshake-deal not to forget or help those that have helped me.

I'm currently nursing my 7th grade high-school teacher who is passing, 40 years after I was in school. I do not forget.

 

Every single bettor will have a differe

Well said sometimes few words make the biggest statements

 

House edge in BAC means very little if you are betting Mathematical probability through patterns, no commission tables are in the shit house with me, i have stated this in the past because the money management needs a boost at times, no commission tables will take your high away instantly, flat players may enjoy this thinking something is free at the time but when you most need a percentage play and the no commish comes you are dead meat, how about 2 in a row no commish, it will happen more then you think i have had this happen to me many times, YA YA the casinos just want to make you a happy gambler and think you are getting a deal but when you break it down it is a great play for casinos, what all the great shoe testers do not calculate is the MM the player is doing at the time, house edge is when you buy a house and pay a 30 year mortgage at 3 or 4 %%, then you need a car cause yours has 400,000 miles and sounds like shit so you take a car loan (HOUSE EDGE)(LAND TAX) house edge(NEW DRIVE WAY,ROOF,WINDOWS,SINK,FURNESS,) house edge,(SLOT MACHINES HOOKERS CRACK) house edge, BAC not so much

 

Even if casino stop charging vig on winning bankers bet some coconut would still still insist on tryin to read shoe, guess, trend cuz they figure anything can happen in the shorts term, hey hey.

 

Frank, besides side bets, baccarat can't be beaten mathematically as BP outcomes are strongly influenced by the actual card distribution that most of the times isn't randomly produced as we'd think.

Math values work only whether results are randomly placed, right?

Well, we've found that at baccarat this is not the case.

Without any shadow of doubt, live baccarat shoes are dealt by a non randomness 'bias' that most of the times is exploitable by the player.

Let math experts to state otherwise, it's of our interest to keep casinos to think that each shoe dealt is perfect randomly placed.

As jbs keep stressing here, we are all clowns trying to win an unbeatable game.
Providing every shoe dealt is randomly produced and for good peace of jbs that's not the fkng case.

 

Dude, and I hope "dude" was the right word to use there, I am currently doing a book review for one of the most successful shuffle trackers of all time Arnold Snyder.

If you want to talk to me about tracking slugs (advantageous sections of cards) you'll get no argument from me. This is a proven and successful strategy.

 

Good, we're talking the same language

 

Comes down to Money Management bros. Whatever your betting idiosyncrasies and mathematical conclusions (since the emphasis seems always to be that it is mathematically impossible to beat the HE), surely then it comes down to MM, no?

Then why else would we take any interest in the game if one was to conclude it cannot be beaten? Isnt there anything better for us to do?

 

I know this will sound like a troll, but it is NOT!!! Two snaps up in a counter-clockwise circle NOT a troll!

I need to know your personal definition of what MM "Money Management" means to you???

No judgment. No comment. No wrong answers. I'll owe you one...

PM me if you want to keep it off the forum.
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