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Roulette bet selection and progression

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by 5pinn, Nov 7, 2022.

  1. 5pinn

    5pinn Member

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    my bet choice is RRBBRRBB
    these 8 combinations.
    i start with red if red wins the red continues if red loses rrbbrrbb i try 8 times
    8 lost go home game over.

    sample

    red win
    red win
    red win
    red lose
    red lose
    black lose
    black lose
    red win
    series ends, gain 3 units and walk away
    I'm using martingale but I'm not sure master natan recommends 3-2-1 but I take 3 units and walk away
    i use virtual loss and martingale
    x.x.x.1.2.4.8.16
    I still haven't found safe progress
     
  2. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Sorry to say this

    You won’t.
    You can have any possible combination of no bets/paper bets any and all possible combinations of 1,2 sequences, 3 sequences, 4 sequences or more AND you will still NOT guarantee a holy grail with or without martybation. You can play history never repeats, shoe a verses shoe b etc at some stage at no particular order or time it will just crash. You can junky sim your sphincter off all year and not lose then the moment you go live you drop your wad and then some.

    The take out is not to use a regimented method if you are aspiring to continue to use the line of thought you are using. What you are attempting is feasible but not in the basic caveman approach you are presently posting. You are using a sledgehammer approach with a hair trigger shotgun martybation money management application, not going to work.

    Step back and review your data, review the subtitles you imho are obviously missing. I have tried that application, I have been through the pitfalls and I have also revamped it into a semi viable selection criteria. It can be done, it can be profitable but not in the extremely limited capacity you are posting about. Do some homework. The topic has been dealt with here this forum on a number of threads. Baccarat threads mostly. You can save your time and money just by reading here and starting with the information provided.
    Cheers
     
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  3. 5pinn

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    cheers sir.. i'm winning but i'm afraid of being bitten. but i'm winning... i'm not the holy grail i'm always scared roulette scary it's a green hole i like the number 0. only 10 games per day 3 units (30 usd) total 300 usd 9000 usd per month. I'm not rich trying to survive cheers
     
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  4. Georgie

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    Spinn, there are 256 permutations of 8 Even Chance (EC) results (Red/Black; Odd/Even; Hi/Lo; Banker/Player; Heads/Tails). In other words, there are 256 different combinations of 8 Red/Black results as you are playing. All 256 permutations are equal in probability, no matter how you arrange them. There isn't any one magic combination that will work better than another.

    In your example, you have chosen the permutation-8 of RRBBRRBB. This means there is just 1 chance in 256 that you will see the losing antipode permutation, BBRRBBRR, during your sequence. You could have chosen any other permutation-8. Doesn't matter. You'll have a 1 in 256 chance of seeing the losing antipode permutation of any permutation-8 you choose.

    So, those are pretty good odds, 255:1, that you will win the sequence and not see the losing antipode.

    Now let's look at the Martingale, often called "Marty".

    An 8-step Marty, 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128, totals 255 units.

    So, mathematically with probability, you will win 255 out of 256 sequences you attempt, and win 1 unit for each of those with a Marty-8 progression. However, on the 1 out of 256 attempts that you see the antipode and lose Marty-8 bust, you will give back all 255 units you'd previously won. These are just the math probabilities, and doesn't guarantee you won't see the losing antipode permutation sooner than 256 betting sequences. You could see the losing antipode permutation multiple times within 256 attempts. Or you could see the losing antipode not at all for 256 attempts...or 512 attempts...or 768 attempts or more.

    And of course, this doesn't include the added problems of 0 and 00 on the Roulette wheel, which make this math problem even worse. At least with Baccarat, you don't have the ZEROES, so aside from the third card rule and Banker 5% commission that gives Banker a slight edge, Baccarat is still much closer to a 50/50 proposition when playing permutations, compared to Roulette.

    Even with a perfect 0.5 probability (50/50) coin-flip proposition of Heads/Tails, you still have 255:1 odds of winning your permutation-8 sequence. But that 1 sequence you lose will hurt, giving back everything you've already won.

    You will face this same math problem whether you play permutations of 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, or any other length.

    Bottom line: The strategy you're playing will work, until it doesn't. There's a nice old guy named Wilson who does the "Casino Amigos" YT channel, and he played the permutation strategy you're playing with a permutation-6 on Baccarat, making dozens of videos, and he says he's played this for several years using a hit and run sniper strategy of just 1 to 3 sequences per Baccarat shoe, without ever seeing the losing antipode, and has won tens of thousands of dollars. I think he knows though that he's just been benefiting from positive variance, and the odds will eventually catch up to him. I haven't seen him play this strategy in a while. He's been playing different strategies since.

    If my life depended on playing this one strategy, I'd play it on Baccarat, not Roulette, and I'd use the sniper strategy of just 1 sequence per shoe. Keep in mind though, that doesn't change the odds of losing. It's still 255:1. Any time you attempt this sequence, you have a 1 in 256 chance of seeing the losing antipode. 1 in 256 chance = 255:1 odds. If you play it non-stop continuously one sequence after another, you're guaranteed to hit the antipode. So, the only possible way to avoid it would be with a sniper attack, but the odds are still 255:1.
     
  5. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    If 5 spins is confident with his method of play then why look any further.

    EC are a game of luck not of strategy and the only way to remain at the table is the martingale .

    Or the AS 3 betting series at roulette or Baccarat A 3 step anti trend bet against a streak of 3.
     
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    What are these and how well do they work?
     
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    Furthermore, if you have the balls and bankroll to play with Marty, you may as well use a modified Grand Marty rather than straight Marty. That's what a lot of Marty guys are doing with it. With a Marty, you profit just 1 unit per sequence. But with a Grand Marty, you profit 1 unit per spin/hand/round.

    For example, if you go to the 8th round of Marty before winning, 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 (= 255 units), you'll profit 1 unit.

    But if you go to the 8th round of Grand Marty before winning, 1 3 7 15 31 63 127 255 (= 502 units), you'll profit 8 units.

    Personally, I don't have the stomach to go to 8 steps of either the Marty or Grand Marty (I never go past 3 Steps). Too much risk for me. But if you do, consider a Grand Marty / Marty hybrid: Grand Marty to 4th step, then Marty to 8. This will increase profit while reducing the risk of 8 full steps on Grand Marty.

    Consider trying this: 1 3 7 15 30 60 120 240 (= 476 units). Winning at or after the 4th step will profit 4 units.

    Good luck.
     
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  8. thereddiamanthe

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    Press .. is the essential & ultimate mechanism of any consistently winning strategy.

    The advantages are many -- but the two obvious one are
    • low cost & controlled descent through the out-of-favor variance intervals
    • raising bets using casino-taken money on the hit.

    Press can be used on spin-by-spin basis, coup-on-coup, session-on session;
    basically multi-level & multi-dimensional strategy.

    You studying economics .. surely know about the mighty impact of the compounding effect.
     
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  9. 5pinn

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    you are big man.. i follow you on odyssee and you are a winner
     
  10. 5pinn

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    I respect you, I have an idea. example gained 1 unit now 3 units only once.

    ec

    1 unit win
    3 unit win
    1 unit win
    3 unit win
    1 unit lose
    1 unit lose
    1 unit lose
    1 unit lose
    1 unit lose
    1 unit win
    3 unit win
    return to 1 unit only once per win, whether gaining or losing 3 units
    What are you saying ?
     
  11. 5pinn

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    Don't stay too long at the table. target 3 or 5 units.
    100 dolar/ 3 unit
    200 dolar/ 6 unit
    300 dolar/ 9 unit
    400 dolar/ 12 unit

    hit and run
    F*ck the million spins just get your psyche up 10 times a day
     
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  12. thereddiamanthe

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    I think .. worth trying out & perfecting further.
     
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  13. Nathan Detroit

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    I am doing rather well with the AS 3 for roulette EC and Baccarat . I am not teaching this terriffic system .
     
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  14. 5pinn

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    dear natan, anti steak 3 ?
    last 3 game sample red red red bet black black black ?
     

  15. Nathan Detroit

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    Only 1 Black win out of 3 scheduled. End of series . Wait for next opportunity .
     
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  16. Georgie

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    Does that mean with an EC series of XXX, you'll bet Y just once, and win or lose, wait for the next opportunity?
     
  17. Naughty but nice

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    upload_2022-11-8_18-17-32.png upload_2022-11-8_18-18-16.png
    If you zigzag on 3&1 you get 2R-2B-2R then RB or reverse it BR then the 2's start again 2B-2R
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    Here you get the 2's on the diagonal 3-5, 6-8, 12-14, 15-17
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    Look how using columns 2&1 you can have 4 blacks 8-10-11-13
    Just away to use columns for even chance.
     

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  18. Nathan Detroit

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    Win or lose roulette EC AS3 as the rule says .

    No bending of the rules .
     
  19. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Wait for the AS3 Baccarat edition .
     
  20. Nathan Detroit

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    @ 5 spins


    The Lung Yeh progression 2 1 2 2 3 3 4 4.

    Play at your own risk .
     

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