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Roulette Bet the evenly balanced wheel

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by beat-the-wheel, Mar 29, 2015.

  1. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    BIASED WHEELS are hard to found now,
    thus instead of BIASED, we bet evenly balance wheel.

    ok, now look the the ..

    EUROPEAN wheel,
    count from the ZERO to the right...
    123456789,10,11,12,for three times.

    Thus u have THREE EQUAL PARTS, [if not for the pesky ZERO]

    Named them as part1=A, part2=B, part3=C.

    Now copy and paste a few hundreds real bm casino's roulette decision, and see how the ABC BEHAVE....

    [If u UNWILLING to do researched, do u expect me to post here, all the decision?,...
    then how u gentlemen going to learn???]

    After that ,
    in every note with your eyes, of every THREE SPINS....

    u will see,
    except that pesky green, result will hit in PERMUTATION, of
    AB, AC, BC, and ABC...

    namely ..
    ABA.
    ACA,
    BCB
    CAC,
    BAB
    ABC
    BCA
    CAB...etc

    and also that pesky zero...

    0AB
    A0C,
    B00,
    000....etc...

    SO NOW U SEE A PATTERN KEEP REPEATING!!!

    so how u going to bet THESE permutation???

    ===================
    OOPS!
    SOMEONE ALREADY HOWL OUT LOUD...

    [BUT U WILL NOT WIN, WHY?
    BECAUSE THE LAW OF AVERAGES,VARIANCE,EDGE BLA, BLA,BLAH.....]

    JUST IGNORE THE HOWLING, as u see , that, that..bla,bla,bla,,,,,,[off topic]
    ======================

    CAVEAT: This concept already STALE, when the world first casino open for business.
    and u MAY already know about this stale concept...

    So dont accuse me of selling, affiliating, or any name calling, just dont read if u feel, this article wasting your time...Thanks.

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  2. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Have you or your guru made millions with your method?
     
  3. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Dr,
    puhleeez understand...
    we try to learn and share and debate here..
    or what this forum for?

    I will tell u when I had past 10 million.
    thanks.
     
  4. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    they said,
    in betting the wheel,

    if the wheel evenly balance, the casino doomed.

    if the wheel biased, the casino also doomed...

    why?

    Because if the wheel evenly balance,
    all the three part will be equally hit, [or is it?]

    Because if the wheel biased, or tilted...[dream on]
    One part will be constantly hit...

    So how to bet if the wheel evenly balance?

    Easy, but the result in the long run,
    u will hit the MEAN, [well almost].
    But betting this way,
    u may turn the 3% of the EDGE of GREEN to 1%.

    1] U bet when TWO different parts hit in next 2 spins.
    and do not bet if ZERO hit, in the 1st, or 2nd spins.

    [this way, u change the 3% to 1%, since u only bet the 3rd spins.
    and not bet when the ZERO... ALREADY hit...]

    ie.
    1st spin=A
    2nd spin=B,
    thus u bet A and B.
    lose when Zero, or C hit in the 3rd spin.

    the other is...
    when A, or B, or C hit twice,
    bet the other 2 parts that not hit.

    ie.
    A hit,
    A hit again.
    bet B and C,
    lose if ZERO or A hit...

    After u test a very long result,
    say 300 to 400 spins,

    u will noticed, that

    win=around 66%,
    lose=around 33%
    lose caused by zero=around 1%
    or...

    REVERSING the bet
    Off course u can reversed the method.

    ie.
    1st spin=A
    2nd spin=B,
    thus u bet C
    lose when Zero, or A, OR B hit in the 3rd spin.

    the other is...
    when A, or B, or C hit twice,
    u bet they go thrice...

    bet the other 2 part WILL not hit.

    ie.
    A hit,
    A hit again.

    so u bet A,
    lose if ZERO or, B and C hit...

    After u test a very long test, say 300 to 400 spins,
    u will noticed, that

    lose=around 66%,
    win=around 33%
    lose caused by zero=around 1%


    U will also noticed that 66% VERSUS 33%,
    will become higher and lower, oscillate up and down!
    or pendulum like....

    This simply mean if u FLATBET, u will see that,
    your profit/loss will go up, up, up up, then plateau,
    down,down,down,plateau ,up, up, up, up,
    down ,down,down, of course in an uneven jagged width!

    and u end up winning or losing huge...depend on the outcome...or luck.

    [this also happen in any EVEN chance bet, but since u bet EVERY BET,
    u will face the zero 3%,and end up losing...]

    now, the trillion cent question, is..
    how u win constantly?
    With those probability, mean, oscillate facts?

    how u tie up the probability, of 66/33, ...

    ps: People who refused to think hard, will immediately,
    accused me of letting others doing the hard work, or fishing ,
    or whatever...

    PLEASE...!
    I do not try to earn a single cent from anyone here,
    or affiliating.
    I see that other forums, that I joined,
    also have the same troublesome headache...
    For the last few years,
    in other forum which I had jump ship,
    I NEVER sell or affiliating.

    By sharing, and debating, and arguing gentlemanly,
    I had learn tremendously.
    When I first join forum, a few years ago...
    I know nothing about roulette....
    I read and reread all the articles on the net,
    and do upon thousands of test, manually..
    and still learning...
     
  5. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Are you saying that the probability of winning changes from one spin to the next?

    If so, can you explain how? Maybe show us some math?
     
  6. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Dr,
    for the whole set,
    the probability, still same, at 1/37,
    or the Zero 3%.

    Since u only bet at the 3rd spin,
    I think, the probability of hitting ZERO,
    reduced from 3% to 1%.

    ie.
    WE only bet the third spin.

    1st=A, 2nd=B, thus we bet A&B, and the probability still the same,
    around 66%, albeit the zero.

    1st=A,2nd=ZERO, we do not bet...

    XXX
    X0X=no bet
    XXX
    XXX
    0XX=no bet
    XX0=LOSE!

    So we bet MATRIX. but bet the 3rd spin,
    thus as a whole set, say 100spins of matrix,

    where the zero will strike 3 times probability.

    the ZERO may strike anywhere from 1,2,3rd spins.
    thus the probability of ZERO ,

    to hit THIRD spin=about 1%.
    to hit second spin=about 1%.
    to hit first spin=about 1%.

    total =about 3%.

    but since we skip the 1st, and 2nd row, we avoid to bet when zero hit.
    [a fallacy???]

    U make a long list of matrix, and see yourself,
    how many time zero hit at 3rd spin?

    U will never see 100 ZERO hit at 100 third row.
    it just impossible.
    It is possible for ZERO to hit 3 time on the 3rd spin,
    on the whole set of game.
    well , that probability.
     
  7. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    How does only betting the 3rd spin provide the player with any advantage over the casino?

    In the random game of roulette why should the probability of winning on the next spin have anything to do with past spins?
     

  8. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Dr,

    How does only betting the 3rd spin provide the player with any advantage over the casino?

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    Betting only 3rd spin, do not have ADVANTAGE OVER the casino.

    What we want to hit=

    AVERAGES!!!

    simply averages...



    If u can so sure 90% sure, that next 100 spin, EC, there will at least 40 win in 100 spins, why u bother about the edge,the laws of bla,bla,bla..???




    firstly, EDGE only hit when u bet EVERY spin...
    a single spin has the same probability as others trillion spins.

    BUT as a SET of spin, there a differences..

    ie...
    in 100 spins,
    EC bet,
    Black may hit 10, or 20black in a row....

    But u will never see 100 black , 200b in row...

    in other example.

    u always see 2red follow by 8black,
    but u will never see 20red follow by 80black,
    never in your lifetime.


    AS A SET, THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN!
    although the math prof. say it will...

    although u may argue that next spin=50%minus EDGE.

    U must understand this fact before u read on,
    or u will post some yawning stuff here.





    As a set of , say, 100 spin, the zero=3%, probability.
    thus the zero MAY hit, around 3 times, or more...or less...

    the zero may also hit 3 times, or more at the 3rd spin.

    thats why we call them gambling...

    betting the 3rd row, may reduced the possibility of zero to hit at 3rd row...as a set

    If u ivestigate a real BM casino result, say 300spins, that will do a 100lines, 3spins matrix, and u will see that, the zero all over line 1, line2, and line 3.
    and u will see that, for many line, the zero hit almost equally among the 123 line.
    Now if u bet EVERY line, then u play into the house edge.

    but if u see zero, u dont bet.
    that u avoid a zero

    That will have no advantage over casino.

    BUT we not after advantage,
    we want averages!

    We want the around 66% averages, or 33% averages...


    we dont want to be best grammer author,
    but best selling author!

    We dont want to be best cook,
    we want to be highest paid chef.

    We dont want to be best economist,
    we want to be richest man in city...

    we dont want best taste hamburger,
    but best profitable hamburger chain...

    we do not want best selling hamburger,
    but best REAL-ESTATE owner, of the burger-chain property!!!

    we dont want advantage over casino,
    we want simple averages, so we can win...
    with simple PROGRESSION.

    and more winning than lossing session, for no one can win 100% session.

    hope u see the differences now.


    if u choose not to play when zero hit 1st, and 2nd line, u already avoid the zero, or the edge...of the SET, at least at the moment.

    EDGE only hit when u follow and play every spins.
    if u play ONLY AFTER zero hit,
    then u already "AVOID an 'edge-of-a-zero",
    of course u lose when zero keep coming in alternate


    well u understand what I mean now,

    the keyword=averages....
    go for averages...

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    In the random game of roulette why should the probability of winning on the next spin have anything to do with past spins?
    -------------------------

    as I said,
    We do not bet a single spin,
    BUT we see them as WHOLE set.

    BLACK wont hit 200 time in 200 spins.
    or 10b in 200spins,
    or 20b in 200 spins,
    or 30black in 200 spins,
    or 50b in 200 spins,
    0r 60b in 200 spins.

    u may not see in your lifetime...

    although the math professor argue that they will...

    they even say, a meteor may hit your head while u jogging at the park, so wear a helmet.
     
  9. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Beat the wheel,

    If the same number pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, then why should standing around, waiting for events to happen within the game before betting, in anyway change the odds of winning on the next spin?

    You simply can't step outside of probability. Claiming otherwise is absurd.

    -Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone
     
  10. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Dr,
    We dont want to set aside probability,
    but EMBRACE them.
    say,
    A Dozen will hit 33% albeit Zero.

    so if u bet follow the last for only 1 time, THEN STOP,[ONCE ONLY].

    then wait for new Dozen, to follow,
    u will see, most of time u will hit around 33%...
    I SAY around 33%.

    try it, and u will say...ooooohhh...!

    Then how are u going to take advantage of this occurrence?

    dont bet when ZERO hit, that u already avoid the 3%, to 1%..



    and a ZERO wont hit 50 time/100 spins...rest assured.
     
  11. albalaha

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    Very true. We can never change the odds or payouts of any bet by doing anything but we can of course safeguard ourselves a bit from the "worst". This can work only if you understand that there have never been 30 Reds in a row due to their sequential probability being once in a billion. Similarly no one could win a Keno full 20/80, so far, in the world because probability of anything like this is in trillions of trillions. Sequential probability is the core of gambling where different payouts are offered on different bets considering their remoteness of happening. Have you ever seen accumulator betting in sports? They offer millions for a bet of $1 only if you can predict 15-20 football matches in a succession. Although all matches are independent of each other and even 100 successive matches could win from "Home" side theoretically. If you try to grab even 10 of them considering their "fixed odds", maybe u won't get a single hit in your entire life.

    Independence of trials and their interdependence are very complex subjects. Odds of a series and odds of a single are very different from each other and both are set in stone. When we see past data or when we chose not to, we should keep the probability of a single trial and as a sequence, both in mind.
     
  12. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Hi Albalaha,
    WOW!

    Am I FLOORED, by your reply, and your IMMACULATE English!

    Wish I have the proficiency as yours...

    Seems that, u have good understanding,
    of how to avoid bad streaks of losses.

    Where u learned all this?
    May I ask?


    Sometime I become suspicious of my own comprehensiveness,
    of this subject..

    and for many time I received lashes of scolding,
    from my Guru, when I just cant understand what he talking about...
    I just nod, nod, nod, pretending I understand him...
    hahahaa...
    Oops!
    I am dead meat if he read this...heheheee


    Thanks ...
     
  13. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    No, actually they are not. Not when it comes to roulette. Furthermore, there's nothing mysterious about them.

    Unless you're measuring the fitness of the wheel, each spin is an independent event. In other words, you only need to focus on the very next spin.
     
  14. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    .Dr,

    In Ec, Next spin=50%, minus zero..is true...

    BUT in next 100 spins, u will see that,
    [in PUBLISHED records, of some casinos],
    the win/lose, will range from ,

    best 125win/200,
    to worst 69win/200spins.


    Others casino didnt published their result, thus, there may worst unpublished record.

    I will post them here if u wanna it.


    So u can see now, even the next spin=50%,
    why the win, will range from 125, to 69 win/200spins...
    when it should be 100/100 albeit zero?

    and u will see that even 69win,
    is 69% of the theoritical win of 100/200spins,

    it is very DIFFICULT to win this 69win/200spins session,
    if u bet from the very first spins to the last...
     

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    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Beat the wheel,

    I'm sorry, but I simply don't understand what the point is that you're trying to make above. Are you trying to explain why you believe that the probability changes from one spin to the next?
     
  16. beat-the-wheel

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    the next spin probability=50%, albeit zero,
    the next trillion spins probability=50%, albeit zero.

    Ok, puhleez, for some moment, please forget about the probability for next spin, or next trillion spins.

    ok..
    listen.
    if u see 69red, in the past 200 spins,
    Do u think, THINK, that the next 200spins, will have 69Red AGAIN???


    Ok, stop talking about the EDGE, or next spin probability again...
    it's 50% albeit ZERO.

    If u ask, or talk about edge and probability AGAIN,

    arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
    I will jump up and down on one spot, bang my head on wall, and sing an opera soprano tune !!!
     
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    The future random walk dictates that red will forever remain behind, and that you should expect expectation, and nothing else on future spins! Each spin of the wheel is an independent trial, regardless of what has hit in the past on the random wheel.
     

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