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Roulette bet the WHEEL, instead of carpet.

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by beat-the-wheel, Mar 28, 2015.

  1. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    HI GENTLEMEN.
    and due respect to my Guru.
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    Everyone worth his salt, or spices here,
    must already understand that,
    BET the WHEEL,
    instead the TABLE's carpet,
    which of course, the concept as old as the Roulette itself,
    and for the last hundreds years,
    peoples keep banging their head on the wall,
    trying to figure out a better way to bet the WHEEL instead of table.

    =============================

    There a few person, who swear by the 'bet the wheel' concept,
    but I wont named them, lest being accused being cohort!
    NEVERTHELESS, let see, how to bet the WHEEL.


    Firstly, I know this concept already STALE since the first casino open for business.

    So u may skip this part.
    =================================
    how to slice the wheel.


    European Wheel.


    Look at the wheel.
    Start from Zero, count to right,
    1,2,3,4,5,6, ,1,2,3,4,5,6, ,1,2,3,4,5,6, so on...
    thus U have...SIX section or pie and a ZERO.


    PIE1=32 ,15 ,21 ,04 ,19 ,02
    XXXXXXXXXXX
    PIE2=25 ,17 ,34 ,06 ,27 ,13
    XXXXXXXXXXX
    PIE3=36 ,11 ,30 ,08 ,23 ,10
    XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
    PIE4=05 ,24 ,16 ,33 ,01 ,20
    XXXXXXXXXXXXX
    PIE5=14 ,31 ,09 ,22 ,18 ,29
    XXXXXXXXXXXXX
    PIE6=07 ,28 ,12 ,35 ,03 ,26



    TO SEE HOW THE WHEEL BEHAVE...

    u mark the pie that hit or unhit..


    For example,
    in an OVER SIMPLIFIED example...
    if 32,17,30,15,34,36,hit in last 6spins,
    then....u mark an x ...

    XXXXXXXXXXXX
    PIE1=32 ,15 ,21 ,04 ,19 ,02=xx
    XXXXXXXXXXX
    PIE2=25 ,17 ,34 ,06 ,27 ,13=xx
    XXXXXXXXXXX
    PIE3=36 ,11 ,30 ,08 ,23 ,10=xx
    XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
    PIE4=05 ,24 ,16 ,33 ,01 ,20=
    XXXXXXXXXXXXX
    PIE5=14 ,31 ,09 ,22 ,18 ,29=
    XXXXXXXXXXXXX
    PIE6=07 ,28 ,12 ,35 ,03 ,26=

    then u can see that in the previous 6 spins,
    the wheel biased to the RIGHT side of the wheel.


    ====================
    Apart from PIE, u can also ...

    THIS A CONCEPT BY ANOTHER PERSON, BUT I WONT NAMED, LEST BE ACCUSED OF .......SELLING OR AFFILIATE...

    from Zero, count to RIGHT side.
    123456,123456,123456, so on..then..

    EVERY first=STAR1,
    EVERY 2nd-STAR2,
    EVERY 3rd=star3
    EVERY 4th=star4
    EVERY 5th=STAR5
    EVERY 6th =STAR6.

    SAY, IF U PLACED, an object, say, coins, on all STARs 1,
    u will see that they are , if not for the ZERO, exact distant from each others.


    S1= 32, 25, 36, 05, 14, 07,
    S2= 15 , 17 , 11 , 24 , 31 , 28 ,
    S3= 21 , 34 , 30 , 16 , 09 , 12 ,
    S4= 04 , 06 ,08 , 33, 22 ,35
    S5= 19 , 27 ,23 , 01 , 18 , 03 ,
    S6= 02 , 13 ,10, 20, 29, 26

    So if 32,15,21,14,31,16 hit.
    then


    S1= 32, 25, 36, 05, 14, 07,=XX
    S2= 15 , 17 , 11 , 24 , 31 , 28 ,=XX
    S3= 21 , 34 , 30 , 16 , 09 , 12 ,=XX
    S4= 04 , 06 ,08 , 33, 22 ,35=
    S5= 19 , 27 ,23 , 01 , 18 , 03 ,=
    S6= 02 , 13 ,10, 20, 29, 26=


    U WILL SEE THAT IT BIAS TOWARD THE first,second, third stars,

    AND WITH MORE SPINS U MAY SEE HOW THE WHEEL BEHAVE...

    here an article I posted on other forum,

    but with greater part written/researched by STRINGBEANPC.

    Thanks STRINGBEANPC
    ===================
    Since BIASED wheel are difficult to found and bet, I think bet the REPEAT and un repeating,
    will be easier...

    Let us revisit A VERY INFORMATIVE AND INTERESTING,
    of what STRINGBEANPC researched
    and posted here earlier.
    Many thanks STRINGBEANPC !
    Wonder how many people here make such research?
    ====================


    Let see how much the percentage of hit, of his finding.

    Analysis from a set of 1200 European spins.
    200 rows of 6 with the green ZERO REMOVED.!

    Rows with 4 pies = 105/200=52.5%
    Rows with 3 = 38/200= 19%
    Rows with 5 pies =51/200=25.5%


    Rows with 2 = 4/200=2%
    Rows 6 pies 2/200=1%
    Rows with only 1 pie = 0/200=0%


    Rows with 4 Stars = 106/200=53%
    Rows with 3 = 47/200=23.5%
    Rows with 5 Stars 41/200=20.5%
    Rows with 2= 4/200=2%
    Rows with 6 Stars 2/200=1%
    Rows with only 1 Star = 0/200=0%



    Rows where a pie has a max freq of 1 = 2/200=1%
    Rows where a pie has a max freq of 2 = 136/200=68%
    Rows where a pie has a max freq of 3 = 58/200=29%
    Rows where a pie has a max freq of 4 = 3/200=1.5%
    Rows where a pie has a max freq of 5 = 1/200=0.5%
    Rows where a pie has a max freq of 6 = 0/200=0%

    Rows where a star has a max freq of 1 = 2/200=1%
    Rows where a star has a max freq of 2 = 116/200=58%
    Rows where a star has a max freq of 3 = 69/200=34.5%
    Rows where a star has a max freq of 4 = 11/200=5.5%
    Rows where a star has a max freq of 5 = 2/200=1%
    Rows where a star has a max freq of 6 = 0/200=0%
    ===============

    Now let us placed them
    from the highest percentage hit,
    to lowest percentage hit.
    Analysis from a set of 1200 European spins 200 rows of 6 with the green ZERO REMOVED.!


    Rows where a pie has a max freq of 2 = 136/200=68%
    Rows where a star has a max freq of 2 = 116/200=58%
    Rows with 4 Stars = 106/200=53%
    Rows with 4 pies = 105/200=52.5%


    Rows where a star has a max freq of 3 = 69/200=34.5%

    Rows where a pie has a max freq of 3 = 58/200=29%

    Rows with 5 pies =51/200=25.5%

    Rows with 3 = 47/200=23.5%

    Rows with 5 Stars 41/200=20.5%

    Rows with 3 = 38/200= 19%

    Rows where a star has a max freq of 4 = 11/200=5.5%

    Rows with 2 = 4/200=2%
    Rows with 2= 4/200=2%

    Rows where a pie has a max freq of 4 = 3/200=1.5%

    Rows with 6 Stars 2/200=1%
    Rows 6 pies 2/200=1%
    Rows where a pie has a max freq of 1 = 2/200=1%
    Rows where a star has a max freq of 5 = 2/200=1%
    Rows where a star has a max freq of 1 = 2/200=1%

    Rows where a pie has a max freq of 5 = 1/200=0.5%

    Rows with only 1 pie = 0/200=0%
    Rows with only 1 Star = 0/200=0%
    Rows where a pie has a max freq of 6 = 0/200=0%
    Rows where a star has a max freq of 6 = 0/200=0%

    With above information as general guideline, u may already see clearly, how to take advantage to place SIMPLE strategy and SIMPLE progression .
     
  2. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    what u can see [after u really understand the previous posts],

    =======================

    If u mark out PIE ONE,

    and see how many time they hit,
    as a group, say 1000 spins,

    u will see that...

    1] They will sleep for a certain time,
    but not all the time.

    They will not sleep for 100 spins!
    But rather, if u count them,
    u will NOTICED that they will sleep for a limited time.

    and the tend to repeat in a CYCLES!


    Why is it so???
    U may asked.
    This because the WHEEL, being made to be "balanced perfectly"

    ...but not so perfect, since its manmade.

    and due to the laws of bla,bla,bla....

    U will also noticed that .....

    EVERY PIE WILL HAVE ABOUT SAME HIT AFTER A LONG SPIN...



    So, how u going to bet them?
    ===========================================
     
  3. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    and if u look closer at STRINGBEANPC finding,
    u will noticed that..

    1] 6 pies, or stars that hit in 6 spins =very slim chance..

    mostly there will only 4, or 5 hit in 6 spins.

    2] ONLY 1 pie, or one STAR hit in 6 spins=very slim chance...

    But u not going to bet them as the progression needed=monstrous!

    BUT, if u made a very long, say 200 to 500 spins,
    U WILL SEE A VERY DISTINCT PATTERN!!!

    NOT EVERY PIE OR STAR WILL SLEEP TO SLEEP.
    THEY TEND TO MOVE IN A CYCLES!

    BUT HOW U GOING TO BET THAT PATTERN!
     
  4. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    Betting the wheel can be accomplished by doing neighbour and sector betting in :"racetrack betting" option given in euro and french wheels. Sadly, it won't help an ordinary player much. Remember, nobody is pushing you to bet the carpet and betting on the wheel consecutive numbers have no in-built advantage. It will still be subjected to the variance and the house edge troubles as any other bet.
     
  5. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    INSTEAD OF seeking which parts of the wheel will have LESS hit or MORE hit,
    or by other name BIASED, we seek how the BEHAVIOR of the parts or SLICED portion of the WHEEL.

    HOW?

    By naming the parts of the wheel as pies, or stars,
    and GROUPING two or three of the pies or stars together....

    and by doing some research of the parts that HIT or UNHIT,
    in a certain PROBABILITY LAW,
    u will see...

    that

    THEY will not sleep over a CERTAIN counts of spins.
    THEY tend to repeat over CERTAIN counts of spins.

    THEY always behaved in a frequent frequency!


    so...how u gonna bet them!?
     
  6. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Thanks Albalaha for your reply.

    It is very interesting that u point out the
    pesky and troublesome,

    "variance and the house edge troubles as any other bet"!!!

    I wonder how many people in this little planet earth took the trouble to research this
    subject....

    It seems that u agreed that whether bet the wheel, carpet, or biased,
    will have the same "variance and the house edge troubles as any other bet".

    or rather BIASED, whic many regard as buster to "variance and EDGE monster",
    if understood perfectly, together with "variance" buster,
    posed better bet,..?

    thanks.
     
  7. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    So..
    How we group the pies OR the stars..
    easy...

    we have 6pies, or 6 stars.

    1,2,3,4,5,6..
    then we pair them up..
    thus..

    1&2, 3&4, 5&6,
    or rather..

    1+4, 2+5, 3+6...
    or any pairing...

    and u can immediately see them , well..
    DOZEN bet!

    =======================
    we have 6pies, or 6 stars.

    1,2,3,4,5,6..
    then we pair them up..
    thus..

    =1,2,3=
    and...
    =4,5,6..=

    that HALF of the wheel.

    and u immediately understand that EVEN CHANCE!!!
    =============================

    we have 6pies, or 6 stars.

    1,2,3,4,5,6..
    then we pair them up..
    thus..

    1+2+3+4+5+6...
    and u immediately understand that DOUBLE STREET!!!

    ==========================
    1,2,3,4,5,6..
    then we pair them up..
    thus..
    we have 6pies, or 6 stars.

    half of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6..

    thus..
    and u immediately understand that STREET!!!
    =========================================

    But as ALBALAHA had pointed out the TRILLION CENTS question...

    "VARIANCE&EDGE",

    that tango together and stuck like parasite to the wheel!


    how????????????????????????????????????????????
    solved that, and u get the trillion cents....
     

  8. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    ok, someone with tail, already howl out loud,
    that that, that, that...
    @#$!!
    ========================
    well , just ignore him...

    Ok , betting Straight numbers ,
    are also bet the wheel, but as a single slot, they may sleep for 1000spins.

    But, will half of the wheel sleeps for 100 spins?
    a third of the wheel sleeps for 100 spins..
    a forth of the wheel sleeps for 100 spins?

    well, the casino wont allow that to happen!
    Thats why they note down every decision,
    and do a test with software,
    whether their wheels BALANCED, or BIASED...
    they oiled, change bearing, chance balls, change personnel,
    change, change, even change the whole wheel!

    so that the wheel 99% perfectly BALANCED to the hilt.

    The casino understand perfectly that BIASED wheel mean HUGE-LOSSES!


    So if the casino take HUGE trouble to maintain BALANCED wheel,

    How the wheel parts,pies, stars, going to SLEEP for long????

    SO?
    instead of betting BIASED...

    We bet the wheel to be perfectly BALANCED. ...period.
     
  9. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    So all we have to do is track pies, stars, win, lose and we too can win?

    Why didn't Dr. Thorp think of this?
     
  10. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Dr, Thorp only interested in card game.

    "So all we have to do is track pies, stars, win, lose and we too can win?"

    No...,
    since the wheel is evenly balanced, the ball will not FAVOR a certain part of the wheel.
    and the ball will , after many spins, hit ALMOST evenly on all parts of the wheel.

    But since the wheel is even or balanced, does tracking will win.?
    No, because , a part MAY also sleep for a period.

    Thus u need to understand how to avoid LONG LOSING STREAKS OF LOSSES!

    we bet the active parts...
    because active parts seem fond of repeating....after a long sleepy session.
     
  11. Jesper Svensson

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    In which casino can you put the chips on the Wheel? It has to be on the carpet, and the rest is imagination.
     
  12. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Auwwwww, Jesper, you are so sweet...
     

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