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Baccarat Betting Flat: Quest for an Holy Grail?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by soxfan, Feb 13, 2021.

  1. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    When soxfan says he's flat betting B only and mechanical no guessing he's lying. Because that doesn't exist.
     
  2. JacobBlaze

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    Are you saying Soxman grail is a hoax? I don't think so, but maybe I'm gullible..
    He must have some bad history for all the hate he receives. I believe his method and records in this thread. Although I don't know his bets yet I am still interested to find out
     
  3. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Why do I have to repeat myself grasshopper? He says it's a flatbed mechanical method and it's not. Yes he's pulling the wool over everybody's eyes.
     
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  4. porky

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    The posts that are negative towards Soxfan are not out of hatred but out of his name calling and ridiculous claims. He is one of three on here claiming to never have lost a bankroll. Take that in. If you are truly a gambler like you say even a tester. Have you never lost a bank roll. Do you know of any gambler that will claim to never have lost a bank roll? People that play and test and have done it for years know he's a fraud.

    His bet B after 3P style as he calls it. Really you don't think damn near everyone that has played the game has looked at it?

    He loves to call people losers and retards. Recreational players. Yet his understanding and skill is at the beginner level at most....
     
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  5. JacobBlaze

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    I'm not a grasshopper, I'm a kangaroo sir....

    I appreciate your opinion.

    Soxy and Punky are bad bad boys ;-)

    So he made all the stats and details up? Hard to believe with the attention to detail, I guess Punkys million page stadium thread is a fake too?

    How can it not be a flat bet robotic method? Easily testable by brownsing the casino scoredoards...

    Youll be up a few in some shoes, Down a few but overall with the right triggers and casino environment i belive +1.2 unit a shoe is attainable.

    Can anyone really sit there and bet that way and not be bored to death is another question.. I can and I flat bet the $100 kangaroo level now in my kitchen :)

    Thanks
     
  6. Zhang Wei

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    I tried betting that way before. Yes, I was bored to death.
     
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  7. JacobBlaze

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    Pork chop,

    Yes, I have lost bankrolls (mini ones) never flat broke that I can't continue playing if that's what you mean.

    When I first started I lost about $40k USD playing a modified Star (rider), it had tested positive for a few months at the $10/$25 level so I took it to the $100 level and promptly lost second shoe... (can you win back to back bets in 12 attempts version 63 units required)

    Then thinking no way it could lose again back to back shoes as it had been profitable.for.several months (never losing the 63 units) increased the units to $500 and of course it lost back to back shoes first time etc...

    This was at the high limit in Aria.... Bad memories of losing my poker tournament.winnings (wsop) kitchen type.


    "His bet B after 3P style as he calls it. Really you don't think damn near everyone that has played the game has looked at it?"

    I also believe his stats on this and yes people have tested that and maybe won with that, until they didn't and they couldn't handle the drawdown, boredom and moved on to the next thing..... Im guilty of that myself ..

    But you are probably right porky, just a.difference of.opinion.

    Do.you believe that anyone can win Flat Betting?
    I do, maybe that's why I believe SoxPuppet and PunkyPuppet....

    Thanks
     
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  8. porky

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    Someone posted somewhere that everything wins until it don't.....
    You've gambled enough to know its the same with flat betting....
     
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  9. soxfan

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    That shoe would have clipped me for -7.25 unit, hey hey.
     
  10. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    So says the cat what can't control his emotions at the table and who thinks that tables/casinos hopping is key to winnings. And how many proficient 21 cards counter have blow out bankroll, hey hey.?
     
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  11. soxfan

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    And yes, my bets flat style returned an average net profit per shoe of about 1.23 units buckin up against over 15 000+ tested shoe. It's also captured profit buckin up against just over 400 live online shoe, though it has underperformed thus far. But that's reality and most on here seem more interested about bulls-shits like capturing over 700 units profits in a coupla hour usin a fib in down-under joint. But low-iw types like the porky-pig get their pea-brain baffled by bulls-shits limey and other-wise, hey hey.
     
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  12. Jimske

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    @grasshopper Don't obfuscate my comments.

    First. I'm pretty sure my strike rate is significantly North of 50%. So flat bet can be successful. However my (and Punky) method is guessing, albeit educated guessing. Still guessing. Read that as meaning mechanical and not provable....YET.

    It's my opinion that soxfan and JAE methods smack of incredulity. And I don't say this lightly without giving it much thought.

    Soxfan. I've already given reasons in other threads and don't want to revisit all of them again. Suffice to just think of the time to view, record and trial/error several YEARS of kitchen table testing! Yes, thousands of 1 hour Party Poker shoes! Ahem!

    JAE. IMO a very well thought out and articulated method with real potential. I met him and believe he had the whole concept down pat. Smart guy. AND he may have made some profit IF he actually implemented with a team or even solo or with another. But....I played same casino over 20 years and know some regular critters. Nobody I know ever had seen that kind of play go down. Anothrr example is that the machines only spit out tickets for profit of $2,999.00 or less. Anytime you win more than that you got to notify the floor and it's a big deal waiting around to get your money and having to sign off for it show your ID etc etc. The kind of action he was boasting does not go unnoticed. Other logistics with team play problems also make it difficult.

    But again I got no proof. Just my opinion.
     
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  13. porky

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    Jimske, I think you are entirely to generous. The betting a dominant after x hands I think was called million dollar bac. It worked out in testing about 50 50. Sometimes the dominant continued sometimes it did not. It did bet either side making it stronger than Jae's. He said in a post that if one shoe was ahead 10 players and you got 10 more for 20 in the next shoe time to bet bank. Gamblers fallacy. Might work sometime definitely not all the time.
    When you asked how it was dealt with when he would hit several players after one or two banks. He didn't answer.
    If one was to hit and I know I bring them up a lot but, my first two hundred shoes that were dominated by player you would be screwed quick.
    This system didn't work the first time it was sold. Everyone thought they would get rich. I don't remember one winning with it. If they did they kept it quiet and the system went the way of the packaged bac systems you can build a winning system with....lol

    I don't even have a response for Soxfan again offering nothing of any value but he's a testing...
     
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    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Yer a retard, porky-pig and you have nothing of value to say so I'm puttin yer dumb ass on iggy too, hey hey.
     

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    And it's not even quality fine Marino fleece at that, more like very coarse 36s braid wool.
     
  16. JacobBlaze

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    Soxman,
    Did you post somewhere your average loss per shoe if you had a loss? I know u posted and about 80 drawdown and I think 11 or 13 loss in one shoe, but if you did have a losing shoe what was the average loss?

    Im getting +,- 3/4 averahhe loss/win so far in my kitchen flat bet the banks, I had 2 +8 shoes back to back (lucky)

    I know u don't like chiken shit stop losses but I'm looking at a -7 hard stop loss per shoe... I just want to avoid the -12 to -15 shoe i know is is coming and possible.

    What's the underperforming #s online? + .7 a shoe?
     
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  17. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    I never did calculate the average loss. The worst case drawdowns scenario was -82.3 unit, otherwise never got clipped for more than -60 so that was the blacks swan event and that's why I pony a 200 units bankroll so worst case not gonna clip me for more than half of my capital. Worst loss in a single shoe was about -18 unit but overall very very very few shoe were -9 or more, I look at like this, my style is the flats bet winner so ever wager I make is +ev so make no sense to invoke any stops loss or stops win for that matter. And yes my style has underperformed so far to the tune of about .81 units nets profit per shoe but then that's REALITY. And last night I saw a party poker shoe pony up a 20bankers streak and ain't seen one of them for a longs-time, hey hey.
     
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    Thanks, hard to sit thru 6,7,8 losses in a row.... Yesterday started +3 then had 8 losses in a row recovered to finish the shoe at -1 + comish...

    I dedicated this trip to your no kokunut method and I found a nice VIP junket area that lets me bet 1000.hong Kong kitchen dollars ( $130 USD) minimum flat bets. It's a very exclusive area so no muss no fuss and I can churn thru a shoe in about 30 minutes using the EZ no KoKonut Method selection.

    I've modified my Soxman Bet Banker Only method.

    Here are the results so far. I will post the worst and best shoe late... Let me know if you want me to open a new thread as to not clutter this one up. This is based on your method in this thread so I want to post it here..but I understand if I need to move my kitchen testing post :).....

    Fxxx Junky.... I'm team Soxy now.. just kidding.

    I'm team Al Relaxxxxxxx

    -1

    +2

    +7

    -5

    -1

    -2

    +8

    +8

    -3

    -1

    +6

    "And last night I saw a party poker shoe pony up a 20bankers streak" I woulda captured .95 of that (+1), and looked Stoopid using my Soxy copycat method...lol

    Yoyoyo CookADuck
     
  19. JacobBlaze

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    Hard to edit in and post in this forum.. I guess this forum is set up for short responses and posts....

    forgot to.say I'm playing all.shoe..75 to 80ish hands at this kitchen

    Yoyoyo
     
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  20. JacobBlaze

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    Soxy,

    One of these is the +8, one is the -5..

    Soxman Copycut no-kokonut method
    version 6.3"


    YoyoYo DuckASick

    IMG_20220517_095907.jpg IMG_20220517_095342.jpg
     
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