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Roulette Can you read the TROT. DSAA I think not.

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Naughty but nice, Jan 12, 2022 at 12:55 PM.

  1. Naughty but nice

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    Later.
    Here you'll see that the repeats are so far away to the 1-3-5-7=16 Then you know or should know that at spin 60, the score should look1-3-5-7-30
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    Spins 1-10; wasn't -1 or +1; it just had 1 repeat so, to me +0
    This stream is rare.
    -2; -4 & -6 at 40. So, The 1-3-5-7=16. -6 means only 10 repeats in 40 spins.
    At spin 40; the #15 gave the 30th non-hit. CAN YOU SEE; THERE'S ONLY 1 NON-HIT IN 20 SPINS.

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    It was only in the spins 41-60 that I got back to a profit.
    Gormless's crystal ball misted over. So, I got in the time machine, GORMLESS THE DSAA
     
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    You should not really be betting every spin. You watch or observe the stream.
    If you loose a bet. Take the hit; carry on watching the stream, you don't want to build yourself that big hole, people talk of.

    Herb; "gamblers intelligence" that sounds right or as DSAA GORMLESS would call it, GUESS.
    I've never seen anyone say where the repeats happen in the DSAA's Flaw of the third.
    But from DSAA's posted live 10'330 spins; the 1-3-5-7-30 holds. The biggest shite stirrer on forums with a million AKA's; supplied these.

    As DSAA calls it the [​IMG]KTF; was using an air-ball machine. 1 game aired on TV every day.
    1000 games took over 3 years; but the point is the collected data still shows the average is 1-3-5-7.

    Spins posted by Ignatus, supposedly live German spins. 20'000 spins and the average for repeats is 1-3-5-7&30.

    Now if you look from the otherside, non-hits, then the average is 9-7-5-3&30

    So, it's not reckless betting; you have to think about the score showing + or -; or how the stream is going to get there.
    At 40th spin I was in a hole.
    On the FOBT's, there was a game where i was like above betting 25#'s to repeat. Had to go get another £200. The 25#'s kept hitting and the meter showed £420. Ended +20. One of the plasterers was watching and annoying; said you've blown it. But the non-hits had hit to0 fast and like
    Winkel says the repeats have to stop them.
     
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    You might have seen where I say the non-hits have an average to hit.
    Again; up to the 19th non-hit the average is 2 spins. The DSAA's 10'330 spins the average is showing 21st non-hit.
    But with Ignatus's 20'700 spins it's 19th non-hit.
    I was working on random org spins in groups of 185 spins, I had done loads of these groups and it does show
    Up to the 19th non-hit has an average of 2 spins.
    Up to the 26th has an average of 3 spins.
    Up to the 30th non-hit has an average of 4 spins.
    The random org file is massive and I'm not in to compressing files.
    But here is the DSAA's and Ignatus spins averages.
    The point to remeber is the max to hit.
    1st the DSAA
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    Ignatus
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    Lets look at betting 25 of the remaining non-hits. 12 non-hits have hit. You can see on the DSAA it has a max of 6 spins.
    On Ignatus it has a max of 5 spins. Lets take DSAA's max 6. Could you bet 25 #'s? So, you'd wait; how long? if you wait the average to hit
    2 spins. Then you'd meet the DSAA's 6 spins if you could stake it 4 times. Perhaps wait 3 spins.
    On the FOBT I could bet for 3 spins. So I needed to wait 3 spins for the max of 6 spins.
    upload_2022-1-14_12-22-18.png Now waiting costs 1st spin hits 41 times.
    6 spins once.
    Now like the DSAA shouts was it KON-FUSED if you bet every crossing in GUT you lose.
    If you are watching the 1-3-5-7 you might not meet betting 25 non-hits, like you don't meet every losing crossing. If you lose the crossing
    you was told note this loss and when meet it again, you'll have a dicision, do you bet or wait; how did you get to this crossing.
    So, gamblers intelligence is required. A little bit beyond DSAA and BOMBUS and ND
     
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    Now the game earlier -6 for repeats at 40 spins, here -4. Is R-sim algo play, giving more non-hits today or coincidence
     
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    What you say here. I fully understand all. But if i play it. I dont know if can handle it or not.

    Because i know the progression will be big at spin 40. But will think it later
     
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    Yap i dont bet every spin. Because i learn how you play in chart example in the beginning in this thread.

    Just need to make a good progression and one thing more is about i already post ask u
     

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    About 1-3-5-7 i understand

    About plus minus i understand too.

    But about avg hit, games, max to hit i dont understand.
     
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    Can you answer this @Naughty but nice ?

    How to solve what i think will be the problem.

    How you handle with that ?

    Thanks
     
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    index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13756.png This is my GUT paper tracker i used in B+M.
    To make easier to bet; the half to the right is laid as the columns
    index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13756.png You can see if you was going to bet those that have hit once
    you would start with 1-7-13-16-31-34; then go down or up column 2; then come back down or go up column 3.
    With practice you can lay the bets quick.
    Now this was done on touchscreen where you could play the table. When table is busy you can get over 60 seconds, plenty of time to lay your bet.

    Now some touchscreens make it hard to rebet and change stakes; like you can only remove last placed unit/s.
    So, if after a spin and you need to change unit let's say to 5 units. If you get use to flying down column1; then come back up column2 and then come down column3, that is one layer. It should allow you to double to 4 units then you can see what's laid and place the single on all to have 5 units. But you'd just use the 50p or £5 if big player like the MrJ.
    Think about the chips you can use. Grosvenor has 10p 20p 50p £1 £5 can you use say the 50p and then place the 10p on all, that would have your 6 units.

    So practice going up and down the columns. Comes second nature the more you do it. You even know when there's big gaps on the columns

    The GUT sheet I added KTF to it later, so I could see how fast or slow the non-hits are. Is GUT not about the larger group.

    The 1-3-5-7=16 had not dawn yet.
    But what I knew was to add 15 to the result of the opening 10 spins. 7 non-hit had hit.
    7+15=22; you can see 22 is at 40th spin. 22 spins and 16 non-hits had hit. The 16th was 6 spins early.

    spins 1-10; 3 repeats what's the usual score 1-3-5-7; so it's +2
    spins 11-20 there's been 6 repeats; so, 1-3=4 again +2 for repeats.

    So spins 21-30 needs non-hits to slow; have more repeats Even thou repeats are +; the score for repeats wants to be 9; 1+3+5=9
    You can see the expected 15 non-hits for spins 11-40 needs just 6 more of the remaining; from 18 spins
     
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    Need time to read and understand it fully what your method. So far just approx 60 percent thats i understand. But will try to understand it full. Tq
     
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    Reply 30 was to try and help you to place chips quicker. I used the GUT paper tracker.

    See #21 at the top; below it, it says NUM-left, next is HIT 1. Next is HIT 2. Below these are the columns. Starting column 1, then column 2 and last is column 3.

    Now this A4 sheet is what I took in the bookmakers/betting shop to play on the FOBT’s.
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    How did I get to 1-3-5-7=16?

    Over time; 3 years to be precise. I found that the blocks of 10 spins showed where repeats hit. So, on the excel sheet, when asked to find the average for spins 11-20; it returned 7. It meant on average 7 of the remaining non-hits, hit in spin 11-20.

    21-30, had 5 non-hits

    31-40 had 3 non-hits.

    So, we had an average for non-hits of 9-7-5-3=24. Look at it in reverse.

    You get 1-3-5-7=16 the 24+16=40

    Now in the KTF thread, where DSAA; the gormless one posts nothing of any use, members agreed that a fare distribution for the 15 non-hits in spins 11-40; should be 5-5-5=15; not 7-5-3.

    So, countback was found. You can place the expected 15 non-hits.

    Now the sheet had to have a copy of the mat/table.

    Now just like the GUT tracker you can see the columns. As the non-hits, hit you cross out or a diagonal slash the number/s.

    Going up and down the columns is the easiest way to place chips quickly.

    So, you need to practice placing the chips by using the columns.

    This sheet is for 9/10, where we have had 1 repeat.

    So, 9+15=24. Perfect 24 of the starting 37 are expected by 40th spin.

    What is 24 of the starting 37? What the DSAA, calls the FLAW OF THE THIRD.
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    Now you can see if the spins 1-10 had no repeat. Then add 10+15=25.

    You can see where the 15 non-hits are expected.

    Where is the 24th non-hit expected? Spins 37/38. The law of the third.

    Now gormless reckons you can’t win. Well with this sheet and placement of the expected 15 non-hits; if you just watch, watch what?

    How the repeats are hitting, are they anywhere to the 1-3-5-7?

    How many non-hits show in 20 spins? Perhaps 4.

    But remember the larger group; think of GUT method. The starting 37; like Turbo’s radio activity, that depletes, aren’t the larger group going to deplete?

    So, if the stream/trot is following the countback, then the larger group are depleting. If you’ve had 15 of the starting 37 by spin 20; you now only have 22.

    Spins 21-30 expects 5 of the remaining. If the 5 hit after 10 spins; then you only have 17, less than half.

    Before your eyes you are watching decay of the starting 37.
    No crystal ball or time machine.
    Only you to make gamblers intelligence; as Herbie calls it.
     
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    A game from months ago. See how fast the non-hit are. the 21st is way to early.
     
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    The biggest problem is that the system just doesn't work.

    Kon Fu Sed already proved the GUT failed horribly over a million trials.
     
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