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Baccarat Card counting in baccarat with a different twist

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Joedick, Apr 3, 2025.

  1. Joedick

    Joedick New Member

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    Here is my unique winning method or system I continually use to make money playing 8 deck baccarat. Hope you can use it in enhance your play. Some may not like the method of playing, but sometimes patience is the key to successful winning. I do not offer a betting method. I play a martingale 4 step for my betting. I usually don't start playing until the sixth or seventh hand is played but you should use any start point. Practice before jumping in. I play like this:

    Results hand 1: P 7 B 2 player wins with 7
    2: p 9 B 4 player wins with 9
    3: P 3 B 5 banker wins with 5
    4: P 4 B7 banker wins with 7
    5: P 5 B 9 banker wins with 9
    6: p 0 B 1 banker wins with 1
    This is when I usually enter the baccarat game.
    7: P 5 B 6 Banker wins with 6
    8: P 8 B 1 Player wins with 8
    9: P 4 B 3 Player wins with 4

    The last 3 winning totals were 6,8,4. Bet P. Always bet the results of the higher total of the last hand dealt. After the hand is dealt, if you win, start watching the winning hand total for the next 3 hands winners. The 3rd hand highest total dealt determines the next bet. If the last winning hand is a 1,2,3,4,5 bet the next hand Player. If the last winning hands total is 6,7,8,9 bet Banker. If you lose, continue to bet the same bet for 3 more hands or until you win one of the 3 hands left to be played. If you win any of those 3 bets, Stop betting. Then watch 3 hands and bet the highest total of the 3 hands as before and bet the higher total of the 3rd hand per the scale. Do not worry about if the largest winning total is a Banker or a Player, use the highest total of the last winning hand and bet the number scale above. I bet 4 time max on the results of the 3rd hand total. If you win any of the 4 plays (hand 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 you bet on using a marty 4), stop betting and wait for 3 more hands dealt to get your next play. Then repeat the process till you win your fill. Set a win limit and don' get greedy.
     
  2. bacproof

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    is there a kind of statistical/probabilistic reason to bet that way or just a tool to randomize your bets?
     
  3. soxfan

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    Yeah, I'm tryin to comprehend the logic behind this style, hey hey????
     
  4. Joedick

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    The logic is that it wins by cards values removed from the deck. Everyone should know that certain card totals favor the banker hand and certain cards favor the player. I just bet the total of the last hand. I have found out that the results total of the last hand either (banker or player) will play with the next 4 hands played. If player wins the hand with a total of 1,2,3,4,5 or a banker wins the last hand with a hand total of 6,7,8,9 then bet the next 4 hands. If the last total is not of these totals, skip the hand. A hand will repeat within four hands if it these totals.
     
  5. Joedick

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    I have 2 additional lucrative systems on card format (hard copy card) in you play online baccarat or brick and mortar casino that indicate the probable results of every hand in baccarat. It is based on mathematics of the card totals for player or banker if interested. I work out on wizard of odds to test my results. I do quite well against the program and on-line.
     
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    The method is based on the assigned value of each cart by percentage/probability calculated by wizard of odds tables.
     
  7. vindan

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    Please provide some examples, Joe
    Thanks in advance ;)
     

  8. Joedick

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    Take the powerful 3 and 4 for the player and the 6 and 7 for the banker. Please check the following yourself. If a three or a four total for either the player or banker side, play the player side as long as the other hand played in the hand is NOT a 6,or 7 total. Also if the hand total is a 6 or 7, play banker as long as the total is not a 3 or 4.

    do not mix the 3 4 6 7 together in any hand.
     
  9. Joedick

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    Sorry Vindan. I made an error. Qld man brain fart. If the card is a 3 or 4, Bet Banker. If the card is a 6 or 7, Bet Player. Everything else is the same as explained. Please excuse me.
     
  10. opiate

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    It's not based on stats/probability, just another system to try and play the volatility of the game.

    This is inherently flawed, and wrong. Removing lower cards helps banker odds, and higher cards helps player odds. At some point, the cards removed change who it helps.

    https://gto-baccarat.jackace.com/

    You can play around and see the odds in real time.

    I'm assuming you're referring to this section on WoO's site: https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/card-counting/

    The issue with counting in baccarat is you have zero control over when a player gets a third card. The only reason why counting works in blackjack is because you can influence the way the cards are drawn (instead of hitting on a 13 when the dealer is showing a 5, you stand, increasing the odds of the dealer busting. In bac, if player has a 5 and banker has a 4, you don't get to choose to stay in hopes they overflow their 4.

    I've run millions of simulations using various betting strategies (card counting, inverse card counting, PBPPBB, BPBBPP, BBPPBB, etc), and every single one loses relatively early (typically less than 100 shoes, and very few over 500 shoes). There's on 1 that I've seen that works 99%, but it requires a stupidly large bankroll, and is incredibly boring to play, and that's "Bead road magic":



    Here's a video describing the method, but the gist is you bet player every 6 hands, when the current hand will mark a new column on the bead plate. They say "at least 1 player shows up in every shoe", and in their 100 shoe sample, that is true. You can run into a shoe that doesn't have a single player win in that position ever, or it could be the last bead before the shoe ends.

    The big issue is you can't flat bet and win, so you have to increase your bets. Because you're limited yourself to ~13-16 hands (depending on how many decks and such), you need to be able to afford 16 straight losses. The next thing to consider is table mins and max. One on my app is min $1 and max $10,000 (video bac, not a live table, which is $1 min, $500 max). Taking these into consideration, the $10k max allows for a 14 step Martingale with a starting $1 bet (max bet would be $8,192) before you reach the table max bet, and requires a bankroll of $16,384 to not bust - and that will leave you with $1.

    The good thing about this method is there's an average of 5 player hits per shoe, so assuming a max 80 hands (I've never witnessed more than high 70's, so this could further beyond depending where the cut card is and what the burn card was), your average Martingale will go 3-4 steps.

    Anyway, the point is, actual card counting is pointless, your method is as good as any other system that determines when to bet and who to bet on. I believe CheetosBaccarat on youtube does a similar method you presented, if not the exact same one. If it was a surefire way to win, people would get backed off while playing baccarat, and that's never happened once.
     
  11. soxfan

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    Actually, the best way to win well and regular at the baccarats is by the strict bets flat style, hey hey.
     
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    You can't win flat betting in the long run because the best you can do is win 50% of your bets !!
     
  14. opiate

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    Only if you're lucky and catch more win streaks than lose streaks.

    More or less this. Did you mean to quote me previously and not respond with anything?
     

  15. soxfan

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    Actually you are 100 percents incorrect. If you just bet bankers, every hand like the robot yer gonna win just under 52 percents of yer placed wager. Amd, the shrewd cat what bets bankers more strategically can capture the strikes rate of better than 53 percents, simple and plain, baby, hey hey!!!!
     
  16. Joedick

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    Sorry Jerry Bell. I flat bet and win. Thanks
     
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    Jerry Bell, I do not count individual cards in the shoe. I use the total value of the player hand and the banker hand dealt to decide my next play.
     
  18. fathead

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    This would be easy to test. I will test it on my shoes and post back here.
     
  19. fathead

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    Wow, this did terrible. Only 49.37% wins. After commission, flat betting, it lost -(12,855) units over 25,000 shoes.

    Sorry, but you don't have anything here with this trigger.
     
  20. Joedick

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    Thanks for the reply. Two Questions:
    1>Ever heard of Stetson Bailey? Love his betting system
    2>What is your system that wins with a trigger over 25,000 shoes?
     

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