Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Punkcity, Nov 13, 2021.
Spin 8 of 10 spins.
For the demo let’s continue.
Spin 9 of 10 spins.
To me this is high risk to have continued to bet 9 as such.
But why have a buffer of 10 spin bankroll you ask. By 5 times that amount.
It’s a confidence thing.
It’s me knowing that I ALWAYS have backing. It’s me knowing that I can go one more bet at say bet 7 of the 10 spin series
this is the
part that system junkies and the Mathtopians
ON THT I will agree with them until my dying breath.
I’m ( ME, just ME I’m referring to ) still able to profit exactly because of this unquantifiable aspect of experience. Equally when I decide to not continue to bet past say spin 3 or 5 or spin 7 etc it is also the unquantifiable reasoning coming into force.
These are the nuances of fitting a method to your character. Not degen gambling.
You cannot quantify a feeling as to why you will make bet number 5 of 10 spins if you have lost 3 of 4 already.
The other aspect of this method is in the name of the thread.
It’s a light hearted method, a simple fill in between the gaps of the day at the casinoverse. You are walking though and you see manor from the heavensverse. Partake no pressure and that’s what this method is supposed to be.
Years ago, before mobile phones became what they are now , ( don’t get me wrong I love them) you could stop at the lobby of any number of swish hotels , Hilton etc and sit down and on the coffee table would be any number of books or magazines,free to browse though, something light to pass the time as you waited for someone or your checking out/in or just enjoying life. Simple.
At this stage you really take the $850 loss and leave etc most importantly you should not even be there.
Let’s spin up the last spin.
Remember we dropped the bet amount on that last winner number.
Let’s get this.
Spin 10 of 10 spins.
Not a bad result really , down $3430 we won 4 and lost 7 , we outlay about $14000 odd dollars all up nice casinoverse rewards/points but we dropped a little 20% of our day bank. Well you did , I stopped earlier so my drawdown was a lot less. .
I’m not fussed about yours or my drawdown as I know this works. The very next game I played straight after this one we both recoup in no time at all. Cheers
Sorry there was one spin before the last spin which was actually spin 10 of 10. I deleted it somehow.
the post above was spin 11 which was supposed to be a post to show that by spin 10 if you’re losing to not push further as the losses will most likely continue.
Here is another spin , spin 12 just to reinforce it
This last part 1 demo did not lend itself to part 2 continuation.
I like part 2 of this method when I have a sizeable profit made from part 1 . You can play part 2 as a stand alone session independent of part 1 equally doable, but you need to be REMINDED of the RULES and BANKROLL requirements. I probably didn’t state it initially but each part , part 1 and part 2 have independent bankroll as you are playing 2 different versions of the same coffee break method . I find it easier to allocate my profit and losses to individual bankrolls, I incorporate time, drawdowns to achieve independent strike ratio % etc.
As this last demo was a loss there is no part 2 to this session.
The next session will be a part 2 demo included . cheers
Ok, got it. No problem. Thanks
Got it why yout balance 1269
Thanks for your sharing. Appreciate
Got it what you say. And will wait your part 2 demo.
This post explained the odd number.
Will post in a day or so part 2.
( note. imho part 2 is harder to big profit from flat betting, but for those that don’t mind applying their own progression , ( I only flat bet , my personal rules.) can be a fun release , I will make suggestions as such. )
Busy with first rugby tournament since covid restrictions lifted. Cheers
Hopefully it’s of some assistance, remember it’s not a holy grail, user beware, and only use money you can afford to potentially lose. Do some private testing.
Ok here is another part 1 demo , this game was played immediately after the last posted game on the sim. This game Leeds us to our first documented part 2 of the coffee break method.
The problem with the roulette sim site is that as far as I can work out I cannot reset the bank balance to facilitate the part 2 bankroll, if I reset the bank I lose the data of the spins that has bought me to this part of the method that I would switch into the part 2.
By resetting the bank , it voids the data collected on the repeat number so as not to show the transition from repeats to betting on the cold numbers. There is always a switch even if it’s for the briefest of spins.
So initially I stated that you have one bank for each part , part 1 bankroll is separate from part 2 bankroll, which is true. Here on the roulette sim site we cannot do the swap out between the 2 parts bankroll requirements . For the sake of the example I wait until the part 1 example is showing a profit ( green $ amounts) then we do part 2 of the method and you can visually see much easier than if we started a red negative account.
I aim to only use a proportion of the part 1 bank profit in this case.
The object of part 2 is to capture the cold numbers turning into a hit number of at least just once. We are not chasing all 10 to 15 cold numbers (similar idea to part 1 ) to hit. We want in on 2.3.4 or 5 individual number hits hopefully and get out.
We all know that chasing cold numbers is hard sometimes that cold numbers can go in the hundreds of spins before it hits just once. Knowing this helps. Imho.
We are flat betting here as usual as per my nature and my individual approach to table games.
“flat betting” cold numbers is very very hard .
If you want to use a progression bet that’s up to you. I will outline the suggestion for the flat betting process of part 2 coffee method first.
Later I will give some thoughts on progression bets and
“ Even though I predominantly FLAT BET” I do on occasion such as my slutty days as explained in stadium thread I DO and WILL use a progression bet and chase the cold numbers beyond 10 spins. Scary but true.
So the objective to continue
Part 2 unit bet configuration is much smaller that part 1 individual numbers bet unit size . The reason being is it’s ( imho) harder to hit the cold numbers than stay on a repeat number staying warm or hot. Because it’s harder I’m not about to waste money chasing it down, well not large sums anyway. As stated you can see the cold numbers hit right in front of your eyes from about spin 38 onwards. I like spins 44-55 and no real data to back that up whatsoever. Sometimes I will enter the cycle at spin 35 or so if I noticed that at least 10 to 15 number have NOT been HIt At LEAST once , meaning they are zero results for those numbers.
Part 2 method ONLY chases the numbers that have NOT HIT AT ALL.
We want a minimum of 10 numbers and as high as 17 .
Generally if there are more than 13 numbers that have not been hit once by spin 35 , you can be rather certain that YOUR 15 selected hit numbers you played in part 1 has made you a tidy profit. Think about it.
I will demonstrate it by posting a few demo games.
Part 2 demo I used $20 individual numbers unit size. When you get a hit of the cold number you drop that number unit size to $5 as the new bet amount
In the last demo game the unit size was $100 once it won was dropped to $30 at the suggested 1/3 Rd ratio. part 2 it’s a 1/4 ratio. You can even go 1/10 th if you want. What ever you choose have the correct bankroll required of 5 x 1 day banks of 10 x unit value as per part 1 requirements .
Part 2 is very strict rules.
NEVER more than 10 spins maximum unless you are winning more than you are losing. The reason is a cold number can freeze you out of your money a lot sooner than when it will hit.
Personally I will pull the pin after 5 straight loses, no qualms at all. It’s a coffee break , not a hardcore fuck my self and my bankroll session.
The combined time spent on part 1 and part 2 is no more than 20 minutes as far as I’m concerned, I’ve made my cash profit or not , I’m gone I’m not chasing.
I can and do play the coffee break method on two different stadium screen of 2 different roulette wheels being played simultaneously. Either rng or live it’s no difference.
I keep it smple.
Post tomorrow. Cheers.
Thanks for your explanation.
Sorry for late respond because have a important matters.
I will read your explanation.
And hopefully you can continue.
great post and keeping simple is the key. there will always be losing sessions but we can limit the damages .
we could play this strategy by going for one or two wins max and stop.
we could , in case we decide to play lets said 6/8 spins if losing, only going for a "brake even" result, since we know that if we made a comeback good enough to recoup our drawdown it means we actually "did won units", not just when we wanted to at the begining and this is overlooked often by players who rate it as a "loss" instead of a "win", and therefore continue to get a "session win" and end up hitting a second drawdown and lose the session when they could of brake even.
after getting a first win I would prefer drop down by 1/10th as sugested above for the reason that many wins in a row, and I know they can happen is not as sweet as "securing" a nice full win. but that is up to individual styles.
also we have all seen in certain games that repeats of individual numbers can be very low, yet at the same time, dozens can follow same dozens or repeat themselves. so that in itself is a repeat and covering all numbers in that dozen can be sweet, just a observation.
I like the 5 banks per day idea as it does give you a sens of strenght no matter what happen in this session.
and last, knowing within us what can help us overcome certain weaknesses is gold, and if I know i have a hard time letting go of a losing session, when the time calls for it, instead of chasing, that one single thought in my head about having several banks can suddenly help me in just "taking a loss" . but to each his own, but "know thyself".
Good post Rinad, remember that this coffee break method I don’t play full time it’s a passing by play . I don’t want to spend hours on it , I spend 3 minutes to 10 minutes max. Quite often as you say , hit 2 or 3 straight up , lose the next leave, easzzzzzieeee money. Win 1 lose 1 leave , up 6 units at minimum. I have had some good returns and have played past the 10 spin rule because I’m on a win streak and will stop on next loss.
The tread is to show just something simple, by no means a holy grail, but a good earner. You have taken some of the ideas posted and put your own thoughts into it. You may see a way for yourself to apply something this thread. If it means you are able to walk away at a set point of losses then come back later and chip away again. Then good.
I like it because it’s flat betting as per my preference, I put all the discipline principles from the stadium thread into practice here. You can start with a small bankroll and build it up in time quickly, you can jump from stadium to table and back again through out the factory just knocking off the 20 numbers on display board and getting the 15 you need for that table. Play your 1 to 10 spins stop at the last loss and go to next screen etc. you are definitely not tied to one table chasing a gazillion spins trying to achieve a win.
If I do replay a table/stadium screen later I always use the “newest set” of numbers displayed and “never the previous numbers” I played at that display screen. Unless a particular number happens to redisplay this time around again. Lol there’s only 37 numbers go figure. Cheers
I like newest set of numbers myself just to not be the target of "being at the same place with same numbers" syndrome(maybe just in my head). the easiest thing to do here is to use pen and paper and keeping track of every spin and results so you always know where you stand and never overbet your bankroll. the fact you are only play this system as to brake away from baccarat maybe the main reason you are able to "stay" with it. what usually happens is this; you learn a great system, get exited ,play it ,wins , then something happens. you start losing session after session, you think "oh crap this is no good " ,then never bother again with it.
but all you did is just go through the ups and down of a random game, and give up at a time you should just "hang in there", as with any game there is always a desert to go through.
so the short session and documentation can just take care of that , help you coming back another time or day.
great thread ,
No the reason is NOT because I’m only playing this as a coffee break from baccarat that I’m able to stay with the rules.
You actually summed up the reason so many people fail. They give up, they modify the method with the the very things that make them fail always with their own methods. They bring their past bad habits with them. They refuse to learn a better way. They actually WANT to LOSE. They say they don’t, but by their own actions they constantly do the wrong thing yet they blame the “ method” as not working then they change to something else. RATHER than look at themselves as the problem and set themselves straight along the guidelines they choose to blame everyone and everything else for the losses.
I set out the guidelines, I stick to them. They are the same guidelines I set up in the stadium thread. Irrespective of the game played , if you don’t have hard and fast rules that the individual maintains 100% all of the time you will never ever win even if it’s the holy grail of holy grails.
With the right documentation of action ( bets placed, won , lost , bankroll start and finish, time duration, hands/ spins played etc) you can witness for yourself the gradual improvement of bet selection criteria, units placed and the increase of bankroll over the week, month.
You are correct use pen and paper, I actually use a book and have a summary of days play ( outlined on stadium thread) I do not rely on memory, I have the results, the final balance after each session played in black and red ink. I give myself confidence by review of session balances and I can see they are increasing.
I know this , so I don’t change anything because of a losing day. I have something that wins more times than not. I WANT TO WIN.
The guidelines are there for all to see.
It is up to the individual to maintain the discipline. I constantly laugh at how many people have said I’m unique and no one can maintain discipline etc. that is usually their excuse to fail. They cannot bring themselves to understand that they don’t want to win they get more enjoyment from the despair of losing.
Give yourself ( I’m not just signalling you out rinad or ordinary people , I’m posting to all that read this ) a week to test this out. Go to roulette sim and do the same as demo posted here. Play say 10 session a DAY using the guidelines posted here , write down the balance after each session , re set the sim on each new session, look at the balance at the end of the 10 sessions you play day one. Look at the balance on day 2 , then day 3 etc do exactly the guidelines, some session you will only bet 1-5 spins, some sessions you get to spin 7 ( for example) before a win then you may get the next 5-7 spins as a win in a row.
Log your results, be unemotional as you play , no big YES feeling when you win. No big NO, or GROAN when you lose . NO EMOTIONAL link to your play AT ALL.
The emotional investment is the single biggest problem most of you have that traps you into the wanting to lose cycle.
This post is not up for debate
I will not argue the merits for or against. This is my opinion, this is the guideline that works for me .
You don’t believe, no problem .
You don’t agree, no problem.
You keep doing it your way , no problem.
You keep losing, no problem.
I’m winning, no problem.
the No emotional Link to your play is the hardest part of it all between we are emotional being , some more then others, but still are.
I do get that some from a subconscious level dont really want to win, i see that all over.
yesturday at a roulette table I ran into a old friend . he had this look that I have seen so often on players's face. that look that said "F....S.." what a day. he told me "I know better then doing this crap, i came with a plan, then instead of waiting patiently I begin playing other opportunities I saw on the board, then by the time it was time for my plan to be executed I had no more money !
I knew just too well what he was talking about so I share with him to just learn from his mistake and move on.
until we make following a plan our Number 1 priority we will fail some more I told him.
the truth is that in life like in roulette or anything we want to accomplish we get side track and fail.
look at how many want to lose weight and get a diet going but wont follow through ?
you can have a plan, do well for a day, a week, then a birthday shows up, a party, a distraction, and boom, you brake your plan !
It has to B a number ONE priority , no matter what happens, you dont brake. the phone ring, dont answer, no matter what goes on it is your Priority to follow through no matter what. if it is a number 2 or 3, it wont work. people go through the same problem in other areas in life.
I just started yoga a month ago , and have committed to do it every day without failure, and so far so good. but it has to be a unweavering comittment or it will fail, a Priority.
I am speaking about those who actualy want to win badly but run into the same wall, as I have and my friend I spoke about. even if the board shows a opportunity for a side bet, just try not to take the bait. because if it helps you this time it may hurt you the next or the next time.
I know how easy it is to get sidetrack and even with a plan , the plan must become first, first, and first and no distraction !
I hope I can shine a light on the problem of self discipline that have been discusted a million times all ready, who knows ?
anyhow, there is nothing like looking at your own results and progress to boost one's faith or trust in a system . agood thing to do before going to play live.
final thought for those who struggle to make something a priority.
think how easy it would be to accomplish if your life or a love one's life depended on it ?
we have it ,it is inside us .
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