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Roulette Cold vs. overdue?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by mr j, Jul 17, 2018.

  1. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Delectus,

    If the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, then what's the physical reason that one number is more likely than another to hit?

    What is the physical cause?

    1. Is the dealer secretly blocking some numbers from hitting so that others can hit?
    2. The ball has a memory?
    3. Magic?
     
  2. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    4. Coincidence? -- "a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection."
     
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  3. delectus

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    Presumably you know that certain numbers will not come in for more than 111 spins 3x37 = sleepers.
    Random numbers from a roulette wheel are obviously extremely complex. We refer to them as random,
    because we don't understand the complexity. It is said that it is impossible to get any info from random
    numbers. Also it is said that past numbers will not help to place bets on any future numbers..

    Over time we know however that numbers will even out in the number of times they appear. We humans
    are very good at identifying patterns. There are for example four numbers on the 0 wheel ending in 5.
    5, 15, 25, 35. They are called finals. At certain times they will appear within a few spins and become
    very active. Other times they will not appear for x number of spins and will be called sleeper finals.
    At this stage we have two possible pieces of info.

    On the 0 wheel either side of 5 is 10&24, 15 19&32 25 2&17 35 3&12. It so happens that 2,12,32 is 75%
    of finals 2(more info). Now a number that hasn't come in for some time, there is the irritating occurrence
    when the ball pops into 5 then out again into 10 (perhaps the ball does have a memory lol) I am certain
    everyone playing roulette has seen this many times.

    I would suggest that 75% of finals 2 could be a good betting proposition. There is also the interesting fact
    that on the layout there are four splits 2/5, 12/15, 22/25, 32/35 (more info). This at some point could add
    to the profitability of the 2 finals bets. 22 of course will be included making 100% 2 finals (more info).

    As the various numbers come in and it proves to be correct that there is an active 2 finals and no sign of
    any 5 finals the info will prove correct.

    There are so many betting propositions as described above. Yes some will prove to be beneficial others
    not so. In my experience the more info available the more likely of a successful outcome.

    The wheel and ball have no memory, but random will conform to certain often complex patterns and such
    info is invaluable to a roulette play. To ignore this fact is absurd.
     
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    If a final in the example I gave above starts coming in having been a sleeper for some time, your saying it's
    not a betting opportunity, you don't know much about roulette. Having played roulette for a number of years
    I certainly wouldn't miss such an opportunity. You shouldn't confuse theory with practical play at a roulette
    table.
     
  5. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    In other words, you have no idea.

    You're trapped in the gambler's fallacy.
     
  6. Nathan Detroit

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    What about the diminishing probabilities of the hot numbers ? Hehehe .
     
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    They wont if you mean looking back at past spins to see which numbers hit the most, and deem that to be HOT.

    Over a cycle of 37, some numbers will hit and others will repeat.

    every number has the same chance to hit.
    All the numbers hitting 1 time in 37 so every number showed in 37 is mathematically so ridiculous it is negligible
    Therefore, there will always be repeats in 37 due to Binomial distribution
    The numbers that repeated are just coincidences.

    But it WILL happen every time. Average 24 hit (12 once, 12 repeat) 13 dont.

    Every single time!
     

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  8. delectus

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    Your obviously trapped in a theoretical fallacy that bears no relation to practical reality.

    Do tell us have you ever played roulette at a casino? Of course you wouldn't have a clue what to do.
    The above explanation about 5 finals is beyond your comprehension. You just churn out theoretical
    nonsense. You remind me of the man who walks up and down Oxford street in London, and on his sandwich
    board is written, "the end is nigh, we are all doomed". Well were still here and your theoretical nonsense won't
    alter the reality of the wealth of info to be found in random numbers.
     
  9. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    So? Why do forumtards continually recite that these days? It will in no way whatsoever help them predict which numbers are more likely to hit over the next spin or the next series of spins. And by the way, binomial distribution predicts that they will lose when it's calculated correctly for 37 or 38 numbers, rather than just 36. In short it dictates that you will still lose because there are one or two too many pockets on the wheel.
     
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    Dunno, Past spins dont denote future spins.

    Coincidence is just that. The number isnt Hot per se. It just hit above average due to coincidence

    Ive seen loads of definitions of what a hot/cold number is. All are different
     
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    Funny people. you just recite your mantra that the odds for the very next spin dictate what will happen by coincidence. Fake news.

    This is best of all. You guys don't know there is a beginning, a middle, and an ending to every coincidental streak that you can't see because of your blindness. All you see is a percentage rate that makes the entire universe an overwhelming mandate. That is by definition a fallacy.
     
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    Dunno if we have crossed wires, but the reason a number shows again in 37 spins is because all numbers have the same chance.

    If 5 hits 3 times, it was a coincidence. How can anyone argue with that.
     
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    OK, what causes 20 reds in a row on the marquee?
     
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    Gizmo ,



    I am glad you countered that repetitious sermon .


    ND
     

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    firstly, lets get one thing straight. I didnt paint them red.

    Because they are red and the others are black, red or black has the same chance of hitting (48.6%) The probability is very high for the heads hitting 20 times rather than combos of heads and tails. You may see it a couple of times in your life.
    Most I ever saw was 17 blacks. I only noticed because the marque was 17 numbers (and the pockets were painted black.)

    To answer your question literally, Nothing causes it on the wheel. Casinos caused it by painting the pockets red and black
     
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    Shame you didnt counter it yourself instead of sitting in the corner clapping.
     
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    Well I see about 16 in a row about once a month. I'm not stupid enough to leave that money just laying there.
     
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    ...and if it (they) hit above average DUE TO WHATEVER, I'm cool with that as long as it makes me money. Why on earth does the "WHY" of it matter? Not to me it doesn't.

    Ken
     
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    Hey Delectus, what other user names do you have, at ANY board?

    Ken
     
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    Just 'delectus' no other user name
     

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