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TurboGenius Coldest Number Theory

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Nov 23, 2020.

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What's the coldest number ? (read below before voting)

Poll closed Nov 27, 2020.
  1. They are ALL equally cold numbers, there's no difference

    45.5%
  2. #18 is clearly the coldest number of them all !

    54.5%
  3. No, it's not #18 - it's one of the others obviously

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  4. There are NO cold numbers, past spins are a fallacy and future spins don't exist !

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  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    "So you like cold numbers ?"

    I'll start this thread with a warning - it's about "cold numbers".
    I used to love them, but then I moved on and preached against bothering with them.
    Why ? Because you have to win better than average on numbers you pick in order to win -
    and cold numbers are.. well... cold numbers.

    So enough of that - on to a chart to grab the reader's attention.
    And besides, if you don't like cold numbers - and you hate charts - I'll save you a lot of time
    and you won't have to read on.

    And before you look at it - it's ALL flat bet, no progression.
    Max needed from the start to achieve 644 units of profit was 3 1/2 units. (let that sink in)


    cold-1.png

    So you might be thinking - "I bet all the cold numbers and this never happens !"
    Which is right - and why would you bet ALL the cold numbers to begin with ?
    What if you could bet "just" the coldest number(s). And if so, which ones are the coldest
    numbers ? It's only been one cycle of spins - it's too soon to know what's "due".
    The most amount of numbers ever bet in this sample was 3 ! The least amount bet was 1 !
    The average amount of number(s) bet per spin is 1.25 or 1 1/4 numbers only - nice and simple.

    Now here is where a forum has it's drawback because a poll would be interesting here -
    but that requires waiting for answers = can we do this live ?

    I'll run off a cycle of spins and the poll question will be - what's the coldest number ?

    So here are the spin from start to finish -
    15 (begin)
    31
    36
    4
    29
    36
    25
    31
    25
    25
    16
    20
    8
    23
    29
    25
    5
    14
    28
    22
    11
    31
    13
    33
    34
    33
    9
    9
    10
    27
    8
    13
    3
    5
    4
    12
    14 (end)

    And this is how it looks charted :

    cold-2.png

    *Multiple responses are possible of course.

    Thank you for reading - more explanation to come.
     
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  2. boyd30

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    Is that a graph betting on a cold number(s)??????

    English is not my first language. But if I understand it right, you are now talking about cold numbers Turbo. Isn't this a contradiction? I thought the goal would be to look at hot numbers?
     
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  3. Bago

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    The coldest numbers are 30,32 because they are surrounded by 29,31,33 which have already hit at least twice, which is more than the mathematical expectation.
     
  4. Dylananiac

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    If you look at all the spins from start to finish,
    it should be clear that ALL THE UNHIT numbers are equally cold.
     
  5. Gigi666

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    Unless Turbo is looking at a number that is surrounded by other unhits, then 18 would qualify if you look at board layout, but wheel layout different story o_O:bucktooth:
    I hope this is not more "riddles", anyway lets see.
     
  6. Nathan Detroit

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    Turbo commands and the numbers obey. ho ho ho.
     
  7. Bago

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    FUCK IT IS n°18 THE CORRECT ANSWER !!!! :sour: I KNOW BECAUSE AT GAMBLERSGLEN TURBO DISCOVERED THE THEORY OF "COMBINED DEVIATION".
     
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    I would vote for 26-0-32
     
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    Number 9
     
  10. REV

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    The furthest back number 15.........the other numbers arent in the game yet, :meh: and six of the numbers arent gonna become slightly warm for 37ish spins.
     
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    Now if the question is "what WAS the coldest number" I'd say 25 since its running hot to cover the Deviation "distance".
     
  12. TurboGenius

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    Bago, you scare me sometimes. Your memory must be incredible lol.
    I can honestly say you have an amazing ability to remember things from the past - and
    that's just plain impressive to me.
    Yes though it's #18 and I'll explain why below.
    (and to Bago - if there was a prize I would award you with it, but don't be bored with the thread -
    there have been some slight changes to it since way back then that might be interesting)
     
  13. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    There is no contradiction - some people love playing cold numbers while others don't. While I prefer betting on hot
    numbers and locations, there are a very few ways to use cold numbers and make a profit.

    Yes, but this has been done before and it fails as you know - also using the table layout is no different, other than playing
    the largest "unhit" area of the table or wheel which still does work nicely (raindrop analogy)

    It would seem that way, but I'll explain below why all cold numbers aren't equally cold.
     
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    • English please.
     
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  15. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    So to do this, we have to look at the other betting locations - I like to use the simplest of the even money bets
    and the dozens/column locations.

    In my example the even money locations are very close but I'll use them anyway for the example.
    18 Low and 19 High - so Low is the "colder" of the two options. (technically 18 appearances isn't "cold" though)
    18 Red and 19 Black - so Red is the "colder" of the two options. (ditto)
    15 Even and 22 Odd - so Even is the "colder" of the two options.

    So as we have our "cold numbers" of 1,2,6,7,17,18,19,21,24,26,30,32,35,0
    Which one(s) of these are contained within the "coldest" even money locations of Low,Red and Even ?
    Only 18

    Now to the Dozens and Columns.
    Dozen 2 has the least (coldest) with only 9 appearances - Column (3-36/top column) has the least with 10.

    Now if I had multiple numbers after the even money step, this would drop them down even more to 1-3 numbers only.
    In this case #18 is in Dozen 2 (coldest) and also in the coldest Column.

    We've narrowed it down to 1 possible number, it is a cold number for not appearing (a)
    It is also Low, It is Red and it is Even - which makes it "colder" than the other no-shows.
    It is also in the coldest Dozen and in the coldest Column.

    So with it explained this way - here are the "future" spins..

    16
    6
    23
    27
    6
    36
    18 (win)

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    Now this is basically what I explained at the other forum more years ago than I can remember.
    It did fail though because I took into account ALL past spins into making the next "prediction".
    What I did for the chart above was only look at the past 37 spins (1 cycle).
    By using ALL past spins - you end up eventually betting the same number(s) over and over,
    even after a win. Using only the last cycle you get new numbers to bet after a win.

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    The next option would be to "score" the coldest numbers based on the other variables
    (even money and 2:1 locations) and how far they are from what's expected (how "cold" they
    are, not that they are just "cold")

    For example - in the above posted spins we have Low and Red - both of which appeared 18 times
    and 18 is what's expected, they aren't really cold then.

    This however can produce a "prediction" that might not even be a unhit number ! Seems strange
    doesn't it. The "coldest" number based on the Even money and Column results could possibly
    be a number that has already appeared and would never have been considered as a cold number at all.

    I'll run a new example and show how this works - and yes it would be a pain to do at a table of course.

    Spins :
    1 (oldest)
    3
    17
    22
    21
    25
    23
    13
    28
    34
    15
    32
    14
    5
    17
    3
    5
    22
    35
    5
    13
    9
    11
    18
    11
    1
    0
    15
    24
    34
    2
    17
    32
    36
    23
    12
    8 (end)

    ====================

    Cold numbers are : 4,6,7,10,16,19,20,26,27,29,30,31,33

    Now in the original method above we would have a "coldest" number being (high, black and even)
    which leaves us #20 and #26 only
    3rd dozen and the "top" column (3-36) and bottom column (1-34) are the coldest - #26 is in the third dozen.
    So in the original method the prediction would be #26

    Now if we score ALL numbers based on the differences of the even money and doz/column bets we
    have #28 as the prediction number based on the score it got of 16, more than any other number on the table.
    So using a scoring method we get a number that has already appeared - but based on the even money
    locations and the dozens/columns - it is the coldest number.

    If we only score the sleepers that haven't appeared in the cycle - we have #26 and #30 with a score of 15 each.

    So regardless you will get a cold number(s) to bet on, if we account for the above we could bet #26,#28 and #30
    and personally I would bet until they all appear. This is what helped make the bankroll balance chart above.

    Future spins are :
    2
    12
    11
    29
    26 *win
    19
    15
    32
    34
    12
    12
    22
    5
    26
    14
    15
    16
    33
    36
    11
    28 *win
    1
    22
    0
    2
    0
    14
    21
    32
    17
    2
    4
    36
    16
    9
    26
    14
    17
    12
    9
    34
    12
    0
    12
    25
    2
    23
    13
    21
    19
    30 *win

    for 31 units profit.

    Cold-3.png

    Thanks for reading - add your own twist and more to come.
     
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  16. TurboGenius

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    The lowest the the player's bankroll went from the start was -35 units. (to correct my 3 1/2 units comment that was in error)
    The player ended at +644 units in profit.
     
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    Hello Ed. I was literally doing this betting location analysis and typing up the results concluding ‘18’ was the coldest number but couldn’t complete my composition before you had published your explanation!

    Going a bit deeper even and looking at the Street level, in your initial 37-spin example all Streets appeared at least once but S1 [1-3], S6 [16-18], and S7 [19-21] only had a single showing each. S1 had only slept for four spins, though {#3 on spin 33}, while S7 had slept for twenty five spins {#7 on spin 12}, but S6 had slept for twenty six spins {#16 on spin 11}.

    Thus S6 [16-18] had slept the longest among all Streets and while #17 and #18 had not appeared, #18 was a member of Column-C [3-36/top column] that had appeared the least. So that is how I had concluded that #18 was indeed the coldest number.
     
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  18. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    To continue - after those 3 wins and rechecking the table based on the last cycle and using the scoring method...
    #31 is the prediction

    6,15,2,30,32,4,14,26,24,22,24,28,7,9,32,36,17,22,15,33,13,26,19,16,17,16,27,36,6,16,26,34,3,34,27,33,29,31 (win)

    +29 units balance

    after this, #5 with a score of 15 is predicted

    22,4,22,0,21,6,3,20,1,32,30,27,13,0,29,33,6,5 (win)

    +47 units balance

    after this, #2 and #8 with scores of 14 each

    21,10,3,36,15,7,35,7,5,26,32,16,16,7,32,32,25,1,2 (win),7,6,4,1,17,6,10,22,0,23,29,29,13,5,36,30,9,30,36,20,24,0,1,3,26,30,11,28,28,11,28,22,18,20,25,3,22,26,29,19,0,17,20,36,13,29,8 (win)

    +34 units balance

    after this, #7 with a score of 19 is the next predicted winner

    32,9,20,13,17,18,7 (win)

    +63 units balance

    If the scoring method is the path to choose, it can work very well - even though you might end up playing a number
    that has already appeared and therefore isn't a "cold" number on it's own without the data from the other locations
    (even money and dozens/columns) factored in.
     
  19. Anunnaki

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    Ed, I believe that I understand but would you please explain the individual number scoring method you referenced above in greater detail?
     
  20. TurboGenius

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    Sure.

    First I give all sleepers (no show numbers after the first cycle) 1 point.

    Will post an example here below :

    All cold numbers:
    example-1.png

    Next I look at the even money results and take note of the "coldest" and how far they are from the expected result (18 shows)

    example-2.png

    So Low is 7 away from 18 - all Low numbers get +7 points.
    All Black numbers get +3 points
    Odd and Even add no points since they are both equally 1 below expected (due to the 0's appearing)

    And then again with the Dozens/Columns :

    example-3.png

    1st Dozen numbers get +6 points, Column A numbers get +4 points.

    This gives us the overall point leader (coldest number(s)) of :
    example-4.png

    So my bet would be on #4 as the "coldest" number and most likely to appear soon.
    #4 is also a number that hasn't appeared yet (as opposed to the point system picking a number that has already appeared)
    so I would put even more emphasis on this number. To cover more options then #10, #1 and #7 as well,
    Since #10 has already appeared then I'll make my bets on #1, #4 and #7

    Now for the future spins.. (and yes I swear I type this up as I do it even though no one will believe that lol)

    19
    17
    23
    7 (win) +24 units
    7
    7 (lol ok then)
    17
    27
    10 (high point number)
    20
    23
    10 (high point number)
    19
    13
    11 (high point number)
    18
    29
    24
    13
    22
    11 (high point number)
    19
    24
    5
    24
    21
    25
    9
    36
    17
    28
    36
    12
    36
    14
    7
    22
    17
    20
    14
    0
    35
    4 (win)
    9
    11
    1 (win) +15 units

    =======================

    So stopping on the first win or playing until all bet numbers win is up for debate I'm sure.
    The actions of #7 was interesting as it went hot rather quickly and could have made a lot
    but that is all hindsight now.

    Hope the explanation helps - if not let me know.
     
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