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Roulette Designing a System from Scratch

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by thereddiamanthe, Nov 22, 2021 at 11:44 PM.

  1. thereddiamanthe

    thereddiamanthe Active Member

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    Push your input onwhat all has to be regarded in the desing of the consistent winner.

    What are rhe essential things .. that absolutely have to be implemented?

    Ste-by-step: from the core idea, the principles surrounding it, the basic skeletron, refinements & further optimizations.

    From philosophical to practical point of view.
     
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    Here are two videos .. eventhough off the roulette topic .. clearly showing 5 Musk's principles in developing a product from the engineering point of view.

    No matter what your profession & interests .. definitely worth the watch.

    Munro is a great innovative engineer & heavily awarded collaboratory tech advisor to many big companies over time .. presenting the Musk's principles practically in a movie worth of time.

    Sure this principles will worthwile when designing your roulette system(s), essentially a product.


     
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    Base it on first principle.

    Declare your first principle.

    This's the reason why your bet overcomes the unfair payout.

    I have not read any first principle in systems betting section on ALL forums.

    Other than,

    TurboGenius rtm strategy exploiting random has limit.

    I have already written my opinion about his rtm strategy on his personal forum.
     
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    All those tips are well and good. But it always comes down to, and it has always come down to, and it will always come down to, do you have a good product or don't you. Do you have a dog turd of a product that no amount of philosophy from zen or Isaac Newton is going to help you with. I didn't watch much of these videos but I can tell you they never teach how to find that product because if they knew how they'd be out there doing it. If you have a quality product that has a demand that's 80% of the ordeal. Look at McDonald's. Two brothers back in the 1940s came up with the idea of cheap hamburgers and franchises, they did 80% of the work. Here Comes Ray Kroc and buys it from them and turns it into a billion dollar company. Because he bought a product that was 80% done. People take these kinds of courses all the time thinking they're going to be the next Elon Musk. They're not. This is why big companies always have the rule that anything you come up with even in your spare time in your basement while you're employed by them belongs to them. Because nobody knows where lightning is going to strike and if you get struck by lightning on their dime they own what you invented. So worry about having the product first, then worry about how to market it.
     
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    Well, I agree with you .. in part -- although in this instance I suggest to actually look at them -- your comments, as much as relevant as they are, are beyond the point.
     
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    For those interested ..

    I've put here some references at the intersection of
    roulette .. random walk .. levy flight .. arcsine law
    mostly papers academic & a few sites/articles.

    Its quiet a load .. putting this up .. as a group effort to skim through & redistribute the task to then focus on what's really relevant remaining.

    @Luckyfella & @TwoUp perhaps you'll pinpoint out which .. skipping the sieving step above?
     
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    If it ain't rtm, then ,as one option, its minimal interval?

    I have been looking online, even asked the rx pipl to disclose what's the actual formula & all of its parameters .. but in no case could get clarification on what the hell this actually is.

    Can someone draw out the specifics?
     
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    No offense, but I think you are over complicating what it takes to win.
    I understand and agree that all aspects of random are important to learn, but there are
    a few basics and the rest is way more complex than what a person needs to know.
    Just my opinion of course.
     
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    Turbo, I'd say that I am attempting to educate myself in/explore the aspect of knowledge pertaining to roulette that until now I barely touched upon .. broadening horizons intensely .. & knowing things just on the surface hardly allows for cross-overs amongst various fields/principles into a refined play .. in fact, to couple the things properly & remove things unnecessary .. make them smooth & simple requires in-depth overstanding.

    Up until now, for a year, I've been working intensely, exclusively & successfully on principles mentioned in DrTalos lore, as I call it.

    I could be walking around with utter arrogance; nonetheless, I am posing questions with utmost humility in areas that I know practically nothing about .. knowing that there's much still to learn to master squarely positioned on all angles; knowing there are fields some others are much more well-versed than me currently.

    .. & further improve something that already works; its core performance parameters.
     
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    Great couple of videos . Can be applied to everything in life
     
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    Some of the things I do are:

    - have a large sample of random wins and losses. Then, whatever strategy I think may have value, I test what outcome I would get from the strategy, on that large sample.

    - also test strategies on free gaming software.

    - also evaluate strategies using simple addition and subtraction.

    - also analyse the underlying concept of the strategy.

    - all the above are probably 'first principles' stuff.
     
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    Hi, no it's not arrogant at all to bring in new ideas to solve a problem.
    First principle - what can you realistically do to achieve your goal? For instance, regarding roulette you surely would not want to play more than circa 50 spins per day
    As this thread will hopefully attract good mathematicians, if you solve this it would help- how can you win 5 spins from 20 using the leat risk on your bets?
     
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    Don't get me wrong, no disrespect .. but self-imposing such a time-frame indicates not being confident in your play or what you are doing at the table; unless there's some specific method- &or style-inherent reasons serving a specific purpose, or even individuals' character preferences (after all the system in use is an expression & extension of your self & such has to be congruently in symbiosis with who you are) that might have to be worked on to be overcome & ultimately overridden (eg. patience, ability to focus unalterably for longer periods of the time as in concentration to the point that nothing else exists, persistence, determination to drive & see the things through without exemption, etc.).

    That being said some prefer to get in get out asap reaching & attaining the intended session goal in no-time & be done for the day; but the reason for such a short time frame should definitely be absent of any squeezing of time frame or due to avoiding bad luck/variance; for when your method works the longer you play bring you more money profit ≈proportionately to the time invested; alternatively as ND puts it "if you want more bring more", reduce the time-investment but get the same intended raised amount simply with the raise if the base unit.

     
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    Nonetheless, I am quite pleased & grateful you mentioned this, as it naturally opens for the opportunity to present some fundamentals my type of system is based on.

    To begin with said as either; each individual game ends as a win, or if you prefer ≠stop-loss. This is the paramount fundamental principle, in my case, all others do & have to align with. That's the only principle that in my eyes inspires & secures overall system confidence. Attempting to reduce the play-time for no other reason than overall system performance -- as in time-efficiency vs profit, specifically individual game lengths (avg & max) to profit vs overall avg u/spin ratio, I would deem as a futile endeavour.

    I am aware that some prefer the stop-loss, even so minuscule as a few units only deeming it a break-even point; but for me, even if it takes a while longer to recover every last one cent of the outstanding debt & triumph, emerge triumphant with profit; I would not trade the beneficial effect of the confidence reaffirming itself, densifying & perpetuating itself over; in essence the characterial strength/ability of driving & seeing things through without exemption =determination, persistence, endurance; which inevitably transfers or better extends itself to/from (all) other realms .. areas of life & beyond that, bey/ond it all.


    Even if the 'intended' game profit is a mere unit !


    & the accumulation of such units constitutes a session; whatever your goal .. contingent on the return goal & prefered time-investment frame .. is.

     
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    Which brings me to the next of the fundamental principles ..


    Nominal profit.


    Irregardless of your betting style .. for the higher per game profit you aim, proportionally to that the system gets exposed to an increase in drawdowns. Drawdowns increased effect the required bankroll size for the system to sustain itself .. over the system-related due to the unfavorable (we all know that the same permanence effect/result varies according to the system's constitution) patches of variance.

    This in effect,

    due to in addition to the house edge accumulated amount -- paid on each & every one of the hits, & in addition to the pure loses along the way, summed up constituting the outstanding debt -- resulting from all the hits that have not resulted in the 'new high→restart' =system reset (or zeroing the clock that eradicates all the outstanding house edge accumulated thus far starting afresh & anew),

    affects the u/spin profit performance parameter; essentially the overall system performance ..

    -- qualified & measured with the three 'triangle' parameters which are inadvertently correlated; these being overall u/spin ratio, max game length, max drawdown --

    .. as the (great portion of) hits would otherwise result, rather than resulting in anything outstanding & accumulated thus far, in the reset instead.



    In accordance with this principle, & aligned with the paramount one =every game results in a nominal profit..



     
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    .. the next is


    Μinimal Betting


    In accordance with the above .. as the game unfolds with some of them inevitably incurring outstanding debt to be also (according to ≠stop-loss) inevitably resolved in the nominal profit ..

    utilizing the minimum betting principle with an aim of +1, reduces the volatility (as a natural result of overbetting) thus ensuring as minimum drawdowns as possible = keeping'em at bay & recoverable.


    Btw, you wouldn't load on the fork more than you can put in your mouth, would you?
    Although I ain't the guy for spooning, the liquid coupled with a spoon automatically measures takes care of any overload that results in an optimal load, doesn't it ..



    Roulette per se offers quite a wide payout scheme variety .. using its rich variety smartly & betting as much as the game is asking of us, proportionally to the exposition, to nominally profit .. at +1, or nearby coincidentally .. ensures all of the above, smoothly & efficiently.
     
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    To recap thus far;

    ≠stop-loss
    nominal profit
    minimum betting

    triangle
    u/spin profit
    game length
    max drawdown
    [with a base unit size at its core]
     

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