Craps Dice can be Weighted 26 Different Ways ...

Below is a chart from page 15 of the 1927 book "How to Control Fair Dice" showing how dice can be unbalanced in 26 different combinations -- how do we know which imbalance we are playing with today compared to tomorrow.


If you worked in Casino Risk Management, you would know exactly which dice combination gave you the best profit margin compared to balanced dice. Also, to prevent customers from taking advantage of a certain bias in dice, Casinos are changing the bias from one shift to the next. Even after a hot roll, the dice may be changed immediately to a different bias. Why would casinos ever need to change dice so often if all dice were created equal ?! According to the Nevada Gaming Commission, dice are so much more durable now that they can be used for more than 24 hours without showing discernible wear.

Also, we are finding more Casinos using a stick of dice that has several different loads - that not all dice in the same stick are equal. How do you know which 2 dice loads you have just picked up to roll with gives you which combination of numbers ?!! ... Is this the reason you just rolled 4 hardways on your first toss but you cannot even roll a hardway on your 2nd toss because you're using 2 different dice with different probabilities !!

The 2 certain dice that you're using on your 1st toss may produce a 25 roll. However, the 2 dice you picked out the 2nd time may be unbalanced differently and assist in a PSO or much shorter roll with your same set on the same table. It's harder to maintain consistency if you are not using the same equipment.

 

Is this another case for supposed crooked dice in casinos?

 

Harley,

Do you honestly believe that casinos are purposefully biasing dice?

Do you have any data samples that can substantiate your claims? (Actual samples showing something statistically relevant).

 

Dr. Sir AA - it really doesn't matter if the casinos are inserting biased dice on purpose or not ... the point is that any observant patron can find unbalanced dice in play more than 10 times the normal error rate allowed except in Colorado .... so either American and Indian casino quality control employees are the worst in the world or they do it on purpose -- you decide

We have plenty of data samples and videos of unbalanced dice in play ... here is one example:

 

Where's the data supporting the claims? Histograms, etc?

 

His losses qualify?

 

We have collected some sample intel on several casinos in the below link ... however, we no longer make our data public because casinos do read our website every week and can make countermeasures - for example, Gold Coast has already changed their dice and layout since we posted the above data ... as Sun Tzu warns in The Art of War, we should not always disclose our intel

http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/p/cheating-casinos.html

 

What would be the counter-measure, reintroduce fair dice?

 

Yes, but also more often than not casinos are changing the identified dice characteristics to a different bias. Again, I refer you to the above mentioned free website and the OP of this thread.

 

IMO a dice change every 8 hours or shift change is mostly for quality control. However, we had a lengthy discussion with a couple members of the Biased Dice Research Team and believe we have uncovered a new chapter in Casino Management 101

.... consider that the Nevada Gaming Commission (NGC) told us that they have the right to protect state revenue -- also that state revenue comes from the casinos, thus the NGC protects the casinos as if it were their Fort Knox

The NGC also told us in a private meeting about unbalanced dice that they approve what the Monte Carlo casino (in Europe) does after 1 of it's Roulette wheels develops a bias that is taken advantage of by it's customers ..... The European casino closes for 2 hours every morning and during this time they will switch out the bad Roulette wheel to another table ..... Therefore if the same customers try to take the same advantage the next day, they will be surprised by different results

We have concluded based on several cases that we are seeing the same type of casino asset management at the Craps tables .... If someone is able to take advantage of the biased dice 1 day, the next day (or even next dice change), will have a different set of dice WITH a DIFFERENT bias appear in that casino.

The plethora of 6-1, 5-2 Seven-outs is extremely significant and probably 1 of the 3 easiest ways to spot biased dice on a live craps table when the 6 and 5 may be heavier than other sides of the dice ... due to physics, the 3s and 4s will significantly decrease --- if I could Lay the Hard 6 and the Hard 8, it would be the best bet in the house with these particular unbalanced dice .... and when you Hop the 7s, no need to waste monies on the 4-3

Before Sahara closed, we charted one afternoon 29 Sevens -- the dice were so unbalanced that only 2 (two) 4-3 Seven-outs were recorded out of 29 ... what are the odds of that happening not only once, but proportionately every day at Sahara with a certain set of serial numbered dice ..... Sahara was sweating the money, they were desperate to get as much profit before they closed. They were using the Dark purplish red dice often seen in Indian Casinos (and we have some of the dice as evidence - which I have offered to show SnakeEyes, but he refuses to take me up on the offer)

However, as stated above, there are 26 ways to weight dice - do not get complacent and ASSUME the dice are fair just because every 7-out is not a 6-1 or 5-2 ....... note that not all Percentage dice (or unbalanced biased dice) are created equal, so you have to know which dice are giving you which bias.

 

I like it ...
... of course I never met a conspiracy theory that I didn't like.

 

Maybe or maybe just good Casino Asset Management

.... But how would you know if you never play Live Casino Craps ?!

BTW Many CONSPIRACY THEORIES have turned OUT TO BE TRUE

 

Lame, bunk, whack, stupid nonsense.​

 

So MisterAK (aka Heavy) - you are saying that a Book that Heavy advertised and handed out for his Craps seminar:

with his Las Vegas Craps Seminar on September 20, 2002; 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. (Fee: Just $95) :

is "Lame, bunk, whack, stupid nonsense." ?!!!!!

... I am confused - are you attacking yourself or Heavy or Heavy's hobby or Heavy's business ??!

 

...is "Lame, bunk, whack, stupid nonsense."

Casinos routinely change both their layouts and their dice. Layouts wear out. So do dice. There is also the security aspect of keeping new dice on the table so crooks who would substitute crooked dice into the game have difficulty doing so (since they don't know what color, finish, or serial numbers will be on the dice on any given day).

Harley has no intel. No data. No facts. He simply makes these things up as it suits him, which is why he can produce no proof beyond a few poorly made videos featuring dice he has probably altered to support his case. As for his comments in the previous post, the first quote was written by Jerry Patterson, who was selling copies of the "How to Control Fair Dice" pamphlet that weekend. I know because I was there and purchased a copy. As for the schedule of speakers in the second post, what is the point? I do not think any of the speakers will deny they were there. In fact, Heavy includes a complimentary copy of his speech that morning on audio CD with every purchase of his Axis Power Craps Dice Control Seminar on DVD.

Forum members, Harley excels at one thing. Taking excerpts out of context and attempting to twist them to paint Heavy, or whoever his target of the day is, in a bad light. Unfortunately for him, all but the weakest minds are onto his tricks.

Rumor has it that Harley will soon be Homeless once again. Yesterday I asked that you make a contribution on his behalf to the Brain Trauma Foundation at www.braintrauma.org. Today I am going to ask you to make a second donation on his behalf to the Las Vegas Rescue Mission at http://www.vegasrescue.org/.

We are all praying for you, Harley.