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Roulette DOZEN: series & single=IMPOSSIBLE/POSSIBLE?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by beat-the-wheel, Mar 23, 2015.

  1. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Hi Gentlemen,
    and due respect to my Guru.
    =========================

    It seems that SERIES/SINGLES in DOZEN bet will ALMOST equalised after a LONG run...

    The TRILLION cents question, is HOW TO TAKE ADVANTAGE,
    of this "ALMOST" equalizer...???!!!...to...win?
    ANY OPINION.
    [i am not a robot, and not try to sell anything here...]
    ====================
    below an example of betting series aka[repeat]...
    bet only once, for repeat, when a new dozen hit.


    Spielbank Hamburg
    Tisch 0001
    01.10.2001
    Gewinnzahlen:

    BET REPEAT
    B bet1=lose
    A AAA bet2=HIT1
    3B bet3
    25A bet4
    27B31B bet5=HIT2
    16C00 bet6=LOSE1
    3B23B23B15B bet7 =HIT3
    16C9C bet8=HIT4
    28B bet9
    35A 14A bet=HIT5
    17B bet
    32A25A bet=HIT6
    1B
    36A
    23B
    ----
    8 A
    31B
    33 A
    3B
    7A 25A=HIT7
    34C
    27B
    35 A
    16C20 C =HIT8
    31B
    35A
    1B27B1B=HIT9
    7A35 A 25A 5A=HIT10
    ----
    2C 10C =HIT11
    36A6A 25A=HIT12
    34C
    23B
    6 A
    12C
    35 A33A =HIT13
    30C
    14A36A=HIT14
    19C16C=HIT15
    11B
    7A
    18B
    25A
    21B15B =HIT16
    9C
    21B1B 23B=HIT17
    13 C
    33 A 22A 32A35A =HIT18
    15B
    20 C
    23B==[50TH]
    13C 2 C =HIT19
    22 A 25A=HIT20
    9C
    23B
    5A22A 00 =HIT21
    ----
    17B 00 =LOSE 2
    29 C
    35 A
    3B
    33 A
    ----
    26C
    22 A
    13C
    36A 7A35 A =HIT22
    1B 00 1B= =LOSE3
    29C 2C 10C 2 C =HIT23
    15B
    2C
    ----
    24B
    2 C 30C=HIT24
    23B
    2 C 2C =HIT25
    8A
    12C 19C=HIT26
    28B 18B28B =HIT27
    2C
    25A
    9C
    7A
    ----
    23B
    4 A 33A =HIT28
    3B21B=HIT29
    5A
    12C 30C26C =HIT30
    32A
    24B
    36A14A=HIT31
    13 C
    6A
    16C
    25A4A =HIT32
    20 C 19C=HIT33
    1B15B 00 21B=HIT34
    8A
    19C
    24 B
    7A
    12C
    18B
    25A=[100TH]
    17B
    6A
    10C
    7A
    2 C
    27B
    16C
    22A
    10C
    ----
    3B
    30C
    7A8A =HIT35
    13C
    5A
    15B
    20C
    33A 7A22 A =HIT36
    28B 28B =HIT37
    36A25A8A 14A=HIT38
    20C 19C=HIT39
    6A
    28B 27B=HIT40
    2C
    31B
    13 C
    25A 36A 00 =HIT41
    1B
    13C
    21B
    34C
    8A 25A33A =HIT42
    21B
    26 C 20C =HIT43
    21B
    4 A
    16C
    31B
    12C12C=HIT44
    8A 32A00 =HIT45
    15B
    4A 7A=HIT46
    ----
    31 B
    34C
    33A 8A =HIT47
    26C 19C20C 10 C =HIT48
    7A 00 LOSE4
    19C
    28B
    22 A 8A =HIT49
    13C
    33A
    27B17B =HIT50
    32A
    2 C 26 C =HIT51
    14A
    15B 17B 21B17B 28B =HIT52
    13C 10C HIT53
    21B
    9C19CHIT54
    36A
    1B28B =HIT55
    29 C
    31B
    26C
    36A
    19C30C=HIT56
    7A
    20 C
    11 B 28B =HIT57
    29 C
    33A
    4B 15B 24B 24B =HIT58
    16C2C =HIT59
    17B 3B=HIT60
    26C
    14A14A=HIT61
    23B 00 11B =HIT62..[oops! lose here]
    5A
    26 C
    32A
    12C
    ----
    25A
    30C
    36A
    24B 00 24B 1B=LOSE5
    25A
    4B
    9C
    31B
    7A
    23B
    9C
    21B
    24B
    26 C 13C =HIT63
    7A
    16C 9C=HIT64
    22A
    REPEATING=64HIT/198SPIN =32.3%
    UN REPEAT-=129HIT/198SPIN= 65.15%
     
  2. TwoCatSam

    TwoCatSam Member Founding Member

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    OK, you're not a robot and you're not selling anything.

    Now, do you answer questions or do you just post and run?

    I do not understand this post. 3B23B23B15B bet7 =HIT3 What does that mean? Break it down. Assume I'm ignorant; a six-year-old.

    Sam

    OK, before I get flamed---not ALL six-year-olds are ignorant.
     
  3. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Dear TwoCatSam,
    oops!
    I say man...

    I am very sorry.
    As I didnt check it after I post,
    and , and,...[more alibi...]

    I very surprise at the post myself.
    It must be wrong somewhere, as it a distorted....
    The fault is mine...sorry.

    ==========
    What I actually mean is,
    just as u must already understand them...

    Make the dozens result, as SERIES and Singles.

    For easy visualization,
    lets mark DOZEN ONE as =A.
    Dz TWO =B,
    Dz THREE=C

    thus if we have , say

    1=DZ A
    4=A
    13=B
    24=B
    29=C
    36=C
    1=A
    3=A
    35=C
    23=B
    21=B
    1=A
    14=B
    29=C
    2=A
    16=B
    34=C
    ETC...
    ============
    THEN MAKE THEM AS DOZENS,
    SERIES/SINGLES ,
    [AS THE SAME, u see, ON THE BACCARAT SCOREBOARD].
    eg.


    1=DZ A,4=A -SERIES
    13=B,24=B -SERIES
    29=C,36=C -SERIES
    1=A,3=A -SERIES
    35=C ...SINGLE
    23=B,21=B -SERIES
    1=A ...SINGLE
    14=B ...SINGLE
    29=C ...SINGLE
    2=A ...SINGLE
    16=B ...SINGLE
    34=C ...SINGLE
    ETC...


    SO, AFTER a long , say 300 decision, we will see that SERIES [no matter how long, will regarded as one entity] and SINGLE,
    will , after zero, have ALMOST EQUAL hit...
    though they may not appeared in 'balanced',
    just like variance, and ecart, sleep, bla,bla,bla...u already know all these ...

    So what I mean...
    if eventually, they will oscillate toward the mean,
    then,
    how we take advantage to profit ..
    ==============
    sorry for my bad English...
    =============

    Please accept my apology.
    Thanks.
     
  4. zengrifter

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    Did you ask your Guru?
    If not, please do so immediately and then post HIS answer here.

    Thank you in advance for your prompt anticipated follow-thru!
     
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  5. TwoCatSam

    TwoCatSam Member Founding Member

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    So you're saying a series is listed as:

    AAAAAA

    and a series followed by singles looks like this:

    AAAAA...........series
    B.......................single
    C...............single

    I won't go further until I hear from you.

    Sam
     
  6. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Haloo Sam,
    this series single method,
    is as old as roulette itself...
    ========
    maybe u just play dumb, nevertheless...
    ======================
    In short, for easy undestanding,
    it just,
    Bet Last Hit dozen..
    1] Will Repeat.
    If hit, do not bet untill a NEW Dozen hit, to bet again.
    thus u have a series, as one bet.
    or
    2]Bet Last hit Dozen will not repeat.

    If it repeat, then do not bet , until a new dozen hit,
    to bet again.
    ============
    Why not u made a few hundred decision, and see how the series/single behave,
    just +1, for series , and -1, for single...
    and see how they go up to + over 0 and down to -below 0, and then oscillate.

    The trillion dollars question,
    and bald spot, grey hair scratching,
    is HOW to take advantge of this phenomenom,
    by wait, by skip, hit and run...to profit.


    ===============================
    Halo ZENGRIFTER...
    My Guru,
    [Whom I respect as most knowledgable in betting]
    taught me =,
    there a limit to what will happen..
    =====================
    ie,
    thou 10 zero hit in row will happen mathematically,
    u will not see it in your lifetime..
    the most u see till to date, was 3 zeros , or 4...maybe
    ============
    Then , there will never 100 BLACK in row in your lifetime.
    or Black, Red, Black, Red,Black, Red, Black, Red, ...for 100 spins...
    or there will never 20B, then 1red, then 20B....then 1Red, then...
    in your lifetime...
    =========
    There will never 10Black, 10RED, 10 RED, 10Black in your lifetime...
    ================
    U will never understand what I say, if u have closed mined,

    Just surf the net and read whatever u could lay your eyes on, and learn...
    maybe u will found my Guru's posting somewhere, and learn...
    what u do best now ..=snigger at whatever I post here, for a person with closed mind will not delearn, and relearn...but keep on sniggering till the sun rise in north...
    but, if u insist not to open up and learn,
    then the loss, not mine, its yours, and it not bothered me a bit, for why should I.
    =================================
    ======================
     
  7. TwoCatSam

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    ======================
    In short, for easy undestanding,
    it just,
    Bet Last Hit dozen..
    1] Will Repeat.
    If hit, do not bet untill a NEW Dozen hit, to bet again.
    thus u have a series, as one bet.
    or
    2]Bet Last hit Dozen will not repeat.

    If it repeat, then do not bet , until a new dozen hit,
    to bet again.
    ============


    Let me try to put this in my own words:

    Bet the last dozen hit. If it repeats, wait for new dozen, then bet again.
    Is that right? <---should be red.

    OR:

    Bet that the last dozen will NOT repeat. As long as it is repeating, do not bet. Wait for new dozen.
    Is that right?<---should be red.

    One thing you need to realize--people have learn their own way. You can teach in Greek all day, but if I don't speak Greek I'm lost. I ask you nicely to answer my questions followed by the red. I'm either right or wrong; a simple yes or no will suffice.

    TwoCat

    Edit: The colors are not working.
     

  8. zengrifter

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    Admin removed various edit functions - he/she felt that members could not be trusted with such, might make a mess.
     
  9. TwoCatSam

    TwoCatSam Member Founding Member

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    OK, I'll ask another question for Mr. Wheel or anyone who cares to answer...................

    The questions is "Are you saying that..............

    RRR
    B
    R
    BBBB
    RR
    B
    R
    B
    RRRRRR
    B
    RR
    BBBBBBBB

    are equally liable to occur?"

    I am going to test red.

    RED IS DEAD!!!!

    Sam
     
  10. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    A single spin, such as B or R is of course more likely to hit than BBBB or RRRR.
    ------------


    However, each of the following series of spins,below, have the same chance of hitting, since they all contain the same number of trials.

    RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
    RBRRRRRRRRRBBBBBRBRBBBRBB
    BBBBBBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRR
    RBRBRBRBBBBBBBBBRRRRBBBBB

    Rare events happen every day at the roulette wheel. While Beat-the-wheel believes that he may never see 40 reds in a row, somebody else could be staring at a stream of 40 spins in shock, as they see the specific pattern of numbers, all 40 spins in a row, that they have been looking for their entire life.
     
  11. zengrifter

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    As always, Sir Anyone delivers a voice of scientific reason.
     
  12. TwoCatSam

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    Thank you, Dr. Sir A.
     
  13. Spider

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    Wrong wrong wrong, your Guru is wrong!

    Here is my post in Vls Roulette when I saw 7 , yes 7 zeroes in a row on the LIVE Bella Vegas wheel!
    http://www.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=12443.0
     

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  14. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    What is wrong with his statement that even 10 in a row is possible, you may not see that in your lifetime? Normally, one gets to see only 3 or 4 repetitions. Have you ever faced 5 or more repetitions yourself while playing? 7 in a row has been reported 2-3 times, so far but it does not mean it happens daily.
     

  15. albalaha

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    It is not impossible but likely once in a trillion trials. Unfortunately, in 4 centuries, since when roulette was devised, none has reported even 30 in a row. A man having height of 12 feet may happen one day but we have yet to see even one of 9 feet of height. There is a virtual limit of everything unless you want to talk of hypothesis.
     
  16. albalaha

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    @Spider,
    Do not rely too much on the screenshot where you are seeing seven 0s. Many casinos begin spinning roulette by keeping all marquee full with 0s, instead of an empty marquee. Gradually, they start getting winning numbers and 0 lessens and later wiped from the marquee. It happens mostly with casinos that do not run 24x7. You may notice that there is no number prior to 0. If you open such wheels at startup time, you may see even 12 zeros in a row, too.
    See the attached screenshot again here where it is apparent that it is only 5th deal of the day, so 0s are fillers of marquee and not actual results.
    fake zeros.jpg
     
  17. Spider

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    With due respect to you Albalaha I'm pretty sure I saw those zero's spin in but as it was a long time ago, someone else has already asked me about the point you make and now your comments also, I'm beginning to doubt myself ( age is a terrible thing). Even so I don't see how any number, EC etc can have a virtual limit. Do you have " virtual limits" for everything on the board? Columns for example?
     
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    Buddy Spider,
    I do not intend to disrespect you or anybody for that matter but if you open the same casino at the beginning you will witness 12 0s in a row,too. They are fillers and not real results. Every bet has a virtual limit and that can be determined from the sequential probability of happening of that event. 40 reds in a row is possible only in a trillion spins( that too hypothetically).
    I have discussed this in length in two of my topics (I request admin to not to delete the links as I can't copy paste such large info here):
    1. http://betselection.cc/gambling-phi...there-hasn't-been-succesive-36-hits-of-an-ec/

    2. http://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/13069557/Virtual-limits-of-dispersionvariance#.VRJdcvyUcr0

    3. http://betselection.cc/ophis'-mst/holy-grail-randomness-can-be-beaten-even-in-the-longest-run/

    I can discuss even more serious and indigenous topics but I see people love to talk of their fancies and fallacies than realities of a random game. When I start serious debate people start jumping on and off like jokers. No wonder, casinos will keep earning from all these.
     
  19. Spider

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    I'll check out those links. Thanks.
     
  20. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Actually 40 reds in a row could happen in 40 spins. Within every set of 40 spins, an equally rare event occurs. It's just that it's very unlikely that anyone was specifically looking for that extremely rare event to show up.

    If you want to really blow your mind, think about what the probability was for those 40 numbers to show up in the exact order in which they appeared. Probability dictates that the "virtual limit" for that event is 1 in every gazillion spins. But, there it is, after only 40!
     

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