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TurboGenius Dr Sir Anyone-Anyone repeats average.

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by Naughty but nice, Mar 23, 2023.

  1. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    You can see the laps. You can see the matches. The F9 a floating 9 numbers only 1 short to using just T9
    Obviously T9 gets T3 matches.
    T3, 7matches from 11
    T9, 17 matches from 21
     
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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    The above R-sim. Here wiesbaden
    R-sim 7-17-16
    German live 7-14-14
    At 40 spins repeats were -5. Finish the 60 spins 30/30
     
  3. MatwieJ

    MatwieJ New Member

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    'Hellish" session encountered. The first profit is shown at spin 80. Nicely recovered at the end but the drawdown was pretty significant. I've tested about 5000 spins so far, most of the games went quite smoothly but the largest drawdown I've encountered was around 3200 units. Again, recovered, but a big bankroll and big balls are required. ;)

    ps. Naughty, thanks for sharing your ideas. Cheers.
     

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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    The coding in checkpoint 31-40 is wrong.
    Paste this in the box showing 32+7
    =IF(B41="","",IF(COUNTIF(C12:C41,"R")>15,(30-COUNTIF(C12:C41,"R"))&"-"&(COUNTIF(C12:C41,"R")-15),(30-COUNTIF(C12:C41,"R"))&"+"&15-(COUNTIF(C12:C41,"R"))))
     
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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Mat.
    1-10 no repeat. now next 30 spins we expect 15 non-hits.
    10+15=25.
    31-40 shows 19+4. So, we had 19 non-hits over the 30 spins; 4 more than the 15.
    Look at spin 40, the bet won with 9 of the remaining non-hits.
    Spin 41 is betting the remaining 8.
    So, the 40 spins had 29 non-hits.
    Hope the paste works.


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  6. MatwieJ

    MatwieJ New Member

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    Yeah, everything works fine now, thanks.
    I'm running thousands of spins through it to get a feeling of these cycles/checkpoints.
    Check out this attached session for example... Uhhh.
    (playtech rng)
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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    100 spins all gone.
    Yeah crazy last 3 non-hits Bang-bang-bang
     

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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Use to use this in UK bookies. Untill they made it a max bet of £2. Killed it stone dead.
    You see betting for remaining 10 non-hits, spin 55.
    Would I win?
    The average to hit at this point for non-hits is 4 spins.
    Seeing the stream is bad for the non-hits, I'd wait for 4 spins.
    If lose, I'd start to bet. Oh yes seen take 21 spins to hit.

    Remember this was RNG on Bookmakers Fixed Odds Betting Terminals; FOBT

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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    This is the Generals or another aka: of his Dr Sir anyone anyone.
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    Now this is small. Random org is over 80'000 spins and still the non-hit average is 9-7-5-3 and at 60 30/30.
    The repeats are 1-3-5-7
    If you have an idea on how many spins the non-hits can take to hit, plus have an idea of how many maximum spins to hit.
    You have a greater chance of winning.
    I always remembered Winkels graph; larger group going down, depleting; like Turbo's video I suppose
     
  10. MatwieJ

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    That's one of my main concerns - possibly cheating RNG/online casinos.
    I've run over 13 000 spins at this point and I'm yet to see a losing/unrecovered session. But the drawdowns can get huge at times. So, the next logical steps to take (to improve the method and make it more playable at the B&M's) are: a)reduce the drawdowns and b)reduce the session length.
    Idea:
    Taking only spins 11-40 into consideration we are expecting a more or less equal amount of repeats and singles (uniques). 1:1 ratio (15 each) or close to it, is an end balance state we want to arrive at. I've divided those spins into separate halves. Attached are two different variations of gameplay. First: 11-25 - betting for repeats only and 26-40 betting for singles only. Second: 11-25 - betting for singles only and 26-40 betting for repeats only, so everything is in reverse.
    Balance seeking in action. Interesting. Much more brainstorming and tests to come.
    Cheers!
    MJ
     

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    Here is an example of a bad start - repeats showed more than expected while targeting singles. Balance returned for the second part and the session ended up with a profit. I would have stopped at 65 or 81 (look at the image attached) cause R and S were already too balanced before spin 40. But for the sake of a test, I pushed it till the end, sill in plus, and perfect balance achieved.
    Mind that all of it is done flat betting. 1 unit per number, no progressions, that's it.
    Now... I'm wondering... with progressions (negative or positive doesn't really matter) it should work even easier and surely faster.
    I noticed that small deviations (-1,-2) from expected averages are usually dealt with pretty much on their own with flat bets and without much sweat. Still waiting for some -5,-6 to see how it goes.
    Will experiment with progressions over the weekend. Much more testing ahead.
    Cheers.
     

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    How regards real casinos? Do you play in them? I asking this because I play in PL and need somebody who will help me...if that is interesting for you we can try to find a way for contacting ...
     
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    Hi Benas,
    Yes, I used to play a lot in London (when I lived there). Some great casinos they have. Now, since I'm back in Kraków, I go to B&M's only occasionally. 1) Not a great atmosphere 2) Most of my methods evolved to the point where it's very hard to play in B&M. There is a lot of calculating involved and some sessions may go to 100-200 spins. That's like all day every day playing in brick-and-mortar. Meh.
    Cheers
     
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    Ah Krakow is slightly too far, but you can go to play in Cesko, I also play in Cesko sometimes - here are quite good wheels ( I am a VB player ).
    If you can play so long sessions and do calculations - that is perfect, because winners do very much calculations before playing on data simulations and also in play...
    My sessions are maybe 5 times shorter, I'd like that they will be longer, but when play alone I simply am tired too fast...
     

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    Played Flatbet, combination of Notto's repeat and Turbo's Advatage of repeaters expanded. Username Flatbet
     
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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Nimo, the Vaddi start, how many games get a hit with 7 #'s in play.
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    Now if misses a vaddi win; how much drawdown. Seen 1500.
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    1st big game at 5000 as usual seems harder to win.
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    Now I had 10% could stopped. Near to the +1000 but it came.
     
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    It's a base start of 300 units. Drawdown of $1500 is 150 units. Good Old Turbo, bring a 1000 units to win 1000 units applies. It opens a look to where this can go. Tweaked with your 1-3-5-7 and Turbo's Advantage, it's a goldmine.
     
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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    If we are betting Top 9, 1x. How many spins does it take to have 9 numbers?

    When the top 9, 1x have shown; how many more spins will it take to have Top 9, R1’s?

    During the building stream; the static top 9 will repeat giving a match for R1. Also, during the stream, you might have a floating F9. This F9 could also have repeats giving matches for R1. How many of the floating F9 will be from positions 1x-10 to 37.

    When, X spins have passed we will have the 9 R1’s.

    Again, how many spins does it take to have 9 R2’s?

    Will, 60 spins have passed to have 9 R2’s?
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    So, 10 spins completed 9, 1x’s. By 36th spin we have 9, R1’s.

    Currently, because we don’t have the time machine; we don’t know whether better to use only Top 3 or Top 9 or even a floating 9, F9.

    You can see F9 has 5 matches, same as Top 9. But 3 of F9 came from 1x’s going forward from 10-37. Top 9 can’t have these, same for Top 3.
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    Here is balance for using only Top 9. Remember Top 9 & F9 get any matches that Top 3 manage; But once F9 passes position 3 it losses matches on that lap. It can receive matches for faster laps as the Top 9 build.

    Now the 1x’s are of no interest. Only when they go R1-10; the F9 would drop #5. But if Top 9, R1 are hitting, F9 will get those wins.
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    This is bet for R1’s spin 37. Oops I missed #3.
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    Perfect. The zero. See T9 & F9 get the match.
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    Some might say why not take the earlier profit and reset.

    Like the blue box says; unless you are fcuking clever, perhaps a genius.
     
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    I added the #3. Now #17 has been dropped by F9; but Top 9 gets the win/match.

    You see R2 has 3 more chances of matches for top 9. For the floating F9 it only has 30-21-0-11-15-17-2-30-29 in play; that #3 gets dropped.

    Here is the biggest question for me and perhaps all?

    How much profit is needed? 1st profit? Or 10% or what ever you decide to go for.

    For me 10%. This is my bug bear. I can be at say 289 units profit. But just trying for those extra 11 units the stream or at least on R-sim it can take another 100 plus spins.

    So, 10% profit but if say 10% short of the 300, like here +275 I’ll take the profit.
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    That's all there is to it
     
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    Hi @Nimo , would you care to make this public again, as would love to see how you ran this, as you mentioned with two approaches combined flat betting. As early on we can play just 1x, 2x, rarely 3x in first 20 spins, so not sure how would you apply Turbo's advice and the 1-3-5-7 , assuming you always bet something
     
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