TurboGenius Dug up a dusty thread from the "roulette" section. Discuss ?

Originally posted 7 years and 2 months ago.
Last reply was 6 years ago.
I hate it when something gathers dust on it when it should be framed and hung on a wall.

This was tonight at Roulette Simulator -
Flat bet always, but did double the bet around spin 230 because bankroll was higher.
Then left it at that amount, never a progression.
In the original thread the target was the dozen and column that were "farthest back"
In this example it was only played on the 2:1 dozen bets. 1 unit per spin bet.
Thanks for reading.




https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/farthest-back-4-number-system.138/

 

reminds me a lot of how i used to play..i even gave an example of waiting for 4 unique of the dozen column sections then bet for a repeat...on average out of the 9 sections it was 6/9 to 7/9 in 9 spins..like lott...

there was also a member who got banned and arguing for his payout from betvoyager when he won literally thousands on the no zero table betting the hottest cross sections ..this was one part of his selection the doz/column cross reference...that was years ago

 

These kinds of systems will never work with any kind of reliability because they aren't fluid enough. They are static, you are applying a static strategy to a fluid game. Your method or strategy has to constantly change with the game, you have to be constantly aware of what the random outcomes are doing. It's a huge amount of work and most people are not willing to do it. They keep holding out for the ABC system that has a set of steadfast rules and the outcomes from the wheel behave perfectly in tune with these rules and all you do is win win win. It's impossible yet people never give up trying. Always trying to pound that square peg into the round hole.

I played at two online casinos tonight and it was awful. I made my one unit but I made it right away. From then on the outcomes were unreadable chaos for me. Not totally but I did not want to play them, too unpredictable. But I didn't lose because I knew not to bet, which is 90% of the game. Managing your losses is what this game is totally about. Imagine in a brick-and-mortar casino if people knew when not to bet. The casino would go broke in a month.

 

@ 6th sense,

Why used to play and not now ?

 

i think spike answered that in roundabout way tbh...was quite a few years ago i posted it....ive learnt a lot since then....waiting for triggers isn,t the way...continuous betting is..

 

Casino games triggers, past spins, long term play not to make a jiving by.

 

You speak for yourself only you know.

 

i didn,t say past spins don,t work.....theres a difference with triggers and past spins...it,s all in the detail

 

SPIKE is doing OK. A new breed of Know it all are waiting in the wings teaching difference of

past spins and triggers.

 

That's actually well said. Adapt to what's currently happening and bet accordingly...but most of us know that's how TG plays these days? It'san old thread and he moved on )...just check out the part 3 thread ( YES , GO READ IT AGAIN!!! AND MORE IMPORTANTLY READ YOU CAN'T BET ALL 3 ALL THE TIME !!!)

 

Yes Den; but he mentions in reply 9, those 4-5-6th pay well.
So, Herbies gamblers intelligence will be needed - Guess

 

I liked betting dozens, it's actually what got me here to this forum. Now you have me hooked with your leading repeaters. Still have a few kinks to work out before I have the courage to lay down real bets. I like this idea of just one 2:1 dozen vs the cross section numbers. I'll code both and try a few different variations.

 

Thanks for digging this up, nice distraction on my slutty time at high limit bac.

Here the minimum bet is 100, equal to about $2 USD.

So I bet 400 each spin, not sure if I qualified the 4#s to bet on correctly, but the selection was simple the way i did it, I flat bet 100 each# and never increased the bet.my plan was to stop at 100 spins if at a new high, happened on soin 142.. maybe beginners luck.. but 12600 is about $250 USD win.

 

I don't believe in anything from that post. I'd love to elaborate... maybe over the weekend.

 

Hmmm, it is a question how Turbogenius plays recently, if he plays at all now after covid situation.

And yes, he used dynamic way in past too, but this also does not mean that this way is always better than "static" way.
For example: Yesterday I was playing one airball table where I got 5 numbers to play (Denzie; our way). I got a few hits, then in one moment ALL those 5 numbers freezed for minimum 47 spins (all hot numbers I played!!!). In this time several other numbers appeared for playing, BUT I did not play them. If I would, I would win a few times on them too. BUT after 47 spins my numbers started to hitting again like crazy. Point is that numbers are running in cycles. Problem is how to stay ALWAYS on hot ones because we don't know fast enough when hot ones will freeze.

Good example is PART 3 way, here player must track ALL outcome numbers and once a few hottest numbers appear for example 5-6 x, they all can freeze for many spins and during this period a few other "cold" numbers can appear fast, so they will catch previous hot numbers.
So here main question is what to do in this period, to play or not to play. Denzie, I would here do same as you, not to play all the time. BUT what Turbo is doing in such cases, is a big mystery, because he does not believe in waiting "triggers". Or maybe I am wrong here, and he really changed his way of playing.

Statistics say that in 20 appears of numbers, leader appear near 21 spins (recall from memory), but we are not betting that leader (or leaders) all the time, so can also happen that we lose miserable

 

There is no covid situation here in the US. All of the casinos are wide open.

 

Finally got a chance to run this simulation. I was short on time so I just ran the first set of live spins I had saved. Initial impression, just betting the farthest dozen until it wins has a really nice curve. I kept the starting bet at 1 unit in both test. Keep in mind the dozens is only one bet, while the cross section I was placing four(one unit for each number). I'll go back and change the starting bet to four units for the dozens and add four on a win if below all time high, just to even things out a little bit.

 

It's hard for the naysayers to argue this one.

We know the math and we know the average for a dozen is 1 in 3.
If we start when it's gone past 3 spins without a show (farthest back) then it typically wins.
On the 4th spin we win 2u, on the 5th spin we win 1u, on the 6th spin we break even, still fine up to the 6th spin. After that we win with a loss of 1u per spin...
The average is still 1 in 3.
It's simple math.

 

The flat bet approach is sound and gives three bites to make a profit or break even.

Whilst I do like positive progressions its a bit harder to make it work given the payout doesn't provide enough to raise the 3 bets required on the next attempt by a unit but it does give enough to raise it by 30% of a unit however.

Alternatively short neg progression 1,1,2 (4 unit loss) or 1,1,2,3,4 (11 unit loss) would capture a profit on 69% and 86% of the lost dozens respectively but the long term says larger bets must ultimately pay more house edge vs flat.

Note the neg progression probability only includes the future events and does not include the 3 past spins trigger that the dozen went missing for as the probability of the past events is now 1 (100%).

Still the probability is a long way from certain but gives some options to consider for those testing the performance of different methods.

 

On the contrary, you've made it too easy.

This is simple gambler's fallacy : betting on what's "due".

C'mon Turbo, you're better than this!