Baccarat Every system works when it is working.

The title says it all and that is why one must never be too critical of any system. The problem I have with some developers is they will come out with a few bet selection systems and when one fails they will say the other works, So my question is, WHICH ONE DO I SUPPOSED TO USE? Its no different from choosing B or P.

No one can come up with a " bet selection system" to beat the House in the long run. It is just NOT mathematical possible.

Something very peculiar though, if you play every hand in a shoe, how are you going to overcome a loss if your win rate is 45% ? A good way is to play with a good bet progression. From the most conservative Oscar Grind to the most aggressive Martingle. How about the Cancellation aka Labouchere where you only need to win 33.33% of the time? Even betting MM progression has its Waterloo.

System testers will based their findings of systems with hundreds of shoes and the outcome is always NEGATIVE. What IF one DO NOT PLAY every hand? The point I am trying to relate to is DON"T try to invent something to catch winners, How about invent something to DODGE losers. You may think they are the same shit but they are not. Be selective of when to bet. That is one big players' advantage. So, using a computer testing program to test Baccarat Systems is ONLY true on paper.

So, Chart before making a bet and use the system that is working on that particular day. Have a tentative win/loss goal.

 

I've got some bad news for you that you've most likely heard before...NONE OF THIS NONSENSE WORKS...PERIOD! You'll end up broke.

Keep playing stupid casino games with no verifiable edge. Guys like you make me and my AP team a lot of money.

 

Reduce losses with money management (MM). You can't lose if you don't bet. But first you really need to know the outer limits of your betting. To figure that out you need consistency in your bet placement and betting structure. But you got to run a trial of a lot of shoes and then plot your results on some curve so you can see those outer limits of wins and losses. You'll notice that there are few BIG losses that can really do you harm. But those losses are few. So you pick a spot knowing that the likelihood of coming back after a certain unit loss is slim - that's your stop loss. You might say if you hit a certain loss then leave after losing 2 out of the next 3. Something like that.

Same is true for the wins. When you reach a certain level you know by your charting that the likelihood of getting more is slim so you do the same thing - quit after 2 out of three. Or whatever you choose.

 

How much is the players edge worth and by that I mean can a player with knowledge and the ability to think on their feet overcome the house edge over the longer term. It's kind of like something that Gr8player would have preached, but I can see where he was coming from.

Just imagine hypothetically speaking if someone like Gary Kasparov had developed a love for the game of Baccarat. Could his analytical mind and speed of decision making help him in his bet placement at certain times in the shoe? Don't get me wrong, I understand a lot of people would think it's a bit of a ridiculous notion however I can see a few similarities. You could liken a shoe branching out in all kinds of directions similar to a chess game. A knowledgeable player could have a loose framework which is very dynamic in the shape that it could take to be able to take advantage of short term 'trends'.

 

It is like a clock, it's not because it gives the right time (because it will twice in a day) that it means it's working well...

Brocken clock syndrome

 

Your explanation makes a lot of sense BUT hard to execute. It requires a very high level of discipline and intelligence. You have to be alert and sharp at all times. Most of the time you will miss betting only after looking back at preceding hands. Again it is a fact that one will lose patience when one is behind in win/loss total.

 

So very true and the word is CHARTING

 

No, you misunderstood me. What I mean is with MM, one can actually come out ahead with just a 45% win rate. That's what MM progression are designed for. Right?[/QUOTE]

 

No, you misunderstood me. What I mean is with MM, one can actually come out ahead with just a 45% win rate. That's what MM progression are designed for. Right?[/QUOTE]

 

Yep so is the one I seen someone using last night it is the, eenie meenie miney mo catch a tiger by the toe, type of system and he was winning with it and then disaster set in!!!! Lol!

 

To me, MM is just the same as flat bet. Because each hand will face the same possibility. Let alone baccarat, other game like roulette, each game is individual and has nothing to do with the last game. Each bet no matter what MM step is, will have the same possibility.

Maybe I can think like this. A MM is 1246, say I have played a 100 sections of MM, then I can group each step 1 into a group called g1, each step 2 into a group called g2, same to g4, g5. It is like looking at the sections vertically(1111..., 2222...., 4444...., 6666....), in stead of parellal (1246, 1246, 1246....). So the MM just a combination of flat bet in different game in different time. There is no difference to a flat bet multiple. Because each time the possibility is the same.

One more case of think-the-other-way. If there is hundreds of systems are being used at the same moment for a same hand, maybe they can be grouped into 50% of them bet for B, the other about 50% for P. Now tell me why your system has to be the right one if every one claims his system is a winning one?

 

I understand that baccarat is kind of different to other games as the cards order (I call it card shoe) is already fixed in the shoe, as too true for the results (PBPP, etc, I call it result shoe). Now it becomes a game how good you can guess the result. That's why I think the game is more attractive. You can explore a lot of things to guess the result. Patterns, card counting, whatever you can think about, it is still the odds on the casino side. That is why they'd never be afraid they can lose.

 

MM is not bet selection. MM is the variance of amount bet on hands. Most MM will give you a win with <50% win ratio.

 

Again you are off on this one . Casino wins not because of House edge alone. You personally had experience on this. On a losing day, do you only lose the House vig? Don't forget you can bet B or P. The casino do not force you to bet in a certain way and they do not tell you when to bet. Have you NOT try to learn and improve your approach? Instead you are putting your attention to find the Holy Grail.

 

Craps ,


Take a peek into John Patrick`s Book of Baccarat and check the 1 -2-2 system . Having good results with it. by choosing and staying with one side only . No opportunity jumping back and forth between B and P.


I like this better than the up and pull.



For recreational purposes only . Plat your own risk .


ND

 

Hi ND,

Is 1-2-2 a MM system?

 

Yes it is. It's a system where you need 2 wins in a row and everything after that in the series is gravy.

 

Joey Torres


It is a simple MM system . Best explained in book by John Patrick. ( copy right ).


ND