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Roulette Figure it out

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Denzie, Jun 5, 2022.

  1. thereddiamanthe

    thereddiamanthe Well-Known Member

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    But 0% luck ...
     
  2. atrox23

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    Rules will be changed for roulette!
     
  3. atrox23

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    I was on my phone and I could make the correct adjustment on the bet..

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  4. atrox23

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    Last update on this and if any of the Members that are close to the right way like to suggest something here or via personal are welcome.. There is nothing more to this , either stuck or there is truly nothing?
    There are two kind of different games , my second attempt looks promising!
    I did use 1/2/4/8/16/32/64, i did stop on spin 8 if there was a win=even cycle and restart !

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  5. atrox23

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    It looks like small profit but it is bcs no need to always raise the lvls if there is a need for 1 or 2 wins to put y ahead!

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  6. Quos

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    hi @atrox23, What kind of testing are you doing now?
     
  7. KarlAtwo

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    Im sorry but the graph is pure martingale.

    We need to skip spins in my opinion thats the only way to win.

    Maybe i got some free time in december we could work together if you would like. Ill show you some of my stuff a pair of fresh eyes could help.
     

  8. atrox23

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    KarlAtwo that was a continue bet with retract and reset,as soon i had a new high start with the next number a new cycle ,i did use this 1/2/4/8/16/32/64 as i am missing the way to approach that selection part... Also on this i was starting form 1x no wait for something .But we can't say that is pure martingale bcs there was different bets on different numbers.
     
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  9. atrox23

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    Why not..
     
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    Quos this was kind of how Denzie started this thread.. Playing last three, but for m last three may be different from others ,the first part as you see there is a drop as i was trying to see what is best . on the second part it went better.. There is a catch and still my problem what to keep and when!
     
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  11. thereddiamanthe

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    The more you protrude on the winning &or final-hit over ±0 = game in positive→restart ... the more you will go into minus, especially with the use of ghr negative-progression, due to the snowball effect.

    In very short, the protrusion, the higher the volatility.
    Ultimately, to ensure the lowest-possible max drawdowns, you have to minimize the volatility, by any means possible,

    The most effective way for a game to have the owest-volatility, as one of the factors .. is to aim at +1.

    To induce ghis & jake it relevant to your curreng system-setting:
    since you are playing SU exclusively (35:1) & you restart at any point >=0, then your +1 profit is within 0-35+.

    Further, given that you play more SU/bet ... then calculate the overall-average eg. 3 numbers-played/spin +32, so your +1 is 0-32+.

    From now on, do not bet even on any spin more than what brings you in that range at at any hit.

    This in turn simply means that in case of no-hit your resilting exposition is loser = lower base to recover from ... or figuratively, by design, generating a smaller initiall snowball, with smaller surface to potdntially run downhill.
     
  12. thereddiamanthe

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    In your latest graph, what's that .. spins ≈455-460, you had 3-his somewhat close-by.
    You game-profit was twice the max exposition.

    How can you arrange your stakes so that those 4-hits bring you to between 0-32+ ?
    How can you divide or distribute that debt proportionally between the 4-hits, so that the first one always costs you the least?

    In that way, you ride the no-hit streaks with the minimized-cost.
    Also, hits those that either significantly lower the exposition &or close the game, come in clusters. Talking about the hardest, most extreme games where it really matters .. the rest is easy, anyway

    Since never knowing what will happen = how long the no-streaks will be, no point loading units up. The only real indicator you have, to go by, is what's currently hapenning = a hit. This indicates that the variance or dustribution is potentually turning in your favor, as a cluster of hits

    How can you take that as & to your your advantage .. in terms of units bet?


    Lean methods all aim at reduce, minimize &or remove inefficiencies.
    Since in roukette the only two factors in your control are how much you bet & where ..
    start with ....+1, & best way of managing, staking money, based on the only indicator you have.
     
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  13. atrox23

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    TRD my problem with your posts is that ( i really like them) but i can't grasp the whole thing of it.. My aim indeed was at least +1 on a session, then turbo posted from 1/2/4/8.. to 1/3/9/27/..1/5/25/50 don't remember exactly, of course they are not for a +1 but more when you hit the (hot) ones , on the other hand i can't afford that thing also it looks to me too aggressive as i m on path searching to find path and not the way that turbo said always wins or i go and play as nimo said with 0.10c :/.
    On my game that jump was three consecutive hits from two different Xs but after that i did change a bit as i said when i got a hit and i was behind i didn't raise as with one more hit i would achieve my >=+1 and i run it till the end like this!
     
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    I think for me at least on this way of playing turbo had a way to proceed on the next round knowing witch set to pick and witch to let behind=where. Then we can control the how much!
     

  15. thereddiamanthe

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    Figurativelh, negative-progression is like squeezing a ballong in the middle, where the air is the exposition. Some middle-range games would close sooner, but you woukd pay for that dearly after, having a much higher exposition to recover in the harder/est games.

    That's why everyone skilled advises press or positive-progression.

    In addition, since having a hit as an the only real indicator (potential cluster-run) & the nature of the press increasing upon hit, leveraging those temporary-gains, it perfectly suits roulette.

    The easy & easy-mid games & session don't matter, literally every system can handle those. The mid-hard might require a bit more spins & hits.
    But the real advantage is that the hard & hardest, extreme games result in a much, much lower & still recoverable debt.
     
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  16. atrox23

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    No matter the the sum of numbers , you suggest to go with positive-progression?
     
  17. thereddiamanthe

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    & that press-structure (2-3 correlated-hits = combo-hits) staking should be dynamic, somewhat .. for the gains lancing the game in nominal-profit, not exceeding +1.

    In the case of 3-numbers-played, hit on the first-spin is +33 (35-2) ... so that's your +1 ... & reset is any plus between ±0 & +1, so this case between ±0 & +33. Everything beyong that is cost-ineffiecient, increasing the overall-volatility.

    In hardest-games you might need two or a few sets of such combos (2-3 correlated hits), to get you to that +1, while still remaining cost-efficient.

    So, 2-3 hits to either close a game→ reset, or previous recovery-level.
     
  18. thereddiamanthe

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    Absolutely !!

    I have no idea how @Denzie & @Nimo play .. plus, & as mentioned, I don't play SU at all (much lower bankroll-requirement) .. but the principles are / remain the same. however, I recall, giving a glance on this topics there & here, at least D has had mentioned that several times explicitly.
     
  19. atrox23

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    I agree with that , yes the range for a +1 is 33 or 0, the recovery does mess with me .I was doing +1 on a win if i was behind (depends how much behind as we said if with 1 more win i go in + don't increase )but if next spin was lost i was going back to 1 unit , was that kind of correct or i stay on my last step?
    Ok i will go to splits and street to see!
     
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  20. thereddiamanthe

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    In principle ..

    1st-hit, at any exposition = (+33).
    That's, in my terminolgy, 33-credits, that can be potentially leveraged further.
    At 3-credits per spin, that's 11x-spins worth, flat-bet.

    If the resulting exposition is anywhere below (-32,-33), no need to press at all.
    Any hit by then, brings yoh to plus, reset.

    If you pressed & increased vertically to 2u/position, tast gives you 5.5x spins, theoretically, let's say 6x.

    In either case, if neitther (11x or 6x) hits, the game returns to the previous exposition-amount. Meaning, that hit bought you time in spins, without generating much debt, for the variance to temporarily turn in your favor, as a few clustered hits, close-by = correlated, as in credits leveraged.

    Mind that 11x & 6x can be any number in-between, if on the 6th-spin playing flat the game breached (-33), using ≈½ of the credits, then increasing to 2u/positions gives you another 3x-spin till the credits are depleted.

    That's what dynamically means.

    The units/position adjust to that +1, whatever that is.
    That's one way on how to cut-off or cut-out inefficiencies.
    & ensure minimal volatility.
     
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