Baccarat Finally found a winning system!!!

I did ask Dutchman about his play by play.

Let's wait from him.

 

December 31, 2020

OK here is a game I played this morning on Turbocasino.com. They have only one (RNG) baccarat but the advantage is that it is the user to initiate the next hand so that gives ample of time to go back and forward to the excel sheet. So no rush while playing and less risk of making mistakes in applying the system. The advantage is also that this casino has a practice mode (if you are not logged in you can test with playing capital of 5000 points. Great for testing). Once logged in you have to play every hand or the system crashes. The way to have “free” hands is to bet 10 cents on both Player and Banker. If Player wins you break even , if Banker wins you loose 1 cent so that is acceptable.

I think ( but no real calculations to support that ) that it would be safe to have a max bet of 20 units or less. Considering the table limit of 1000 Euro that means that a unit size of 50 Euro is the largest one can safely use. Still not bad considering that each game should result in 5 units profit (with the house commission average 4,0-4,9 units profit) .

Ok How do I play:

Step one I generate 10 (!) rows/columns of 5 beads. (I simply use the randbetween 0 and 31 in excel. The outcome I transform to Binary ( with 5 digits) and then a 0 = Player and 1 = Banker. Of course any row of 10 outcomes can be used but I like to personally keep randomizing until I see 10 different numbers (so no repeats) . But of course in theory that does not make any difference.)

So this morning Excel generated for me:

1 00101
2 10000
3 00101
4 01100
5 00000
6 11001
7 01011
8 00110
9 11100
10 00111

So translated that is:

1 PPBPB
2 BPPPP
3 PPBPB
4 PBBPP
5 PPPPP
6 BBPPB
7 PBPBB
8 PPBBP
9 BBBPP
10 PPBBB

But as I play NO-mirror the bets to make are:

1 BBPBP
2 PBBBB
3 BBPBP
4 BPPBB
5 BBBBB
6 PPBBP
7 BPBPP
8 BBPPB
9 PPPBB
10 BBPPP

(Now I hear you say why not play “Mirror” and you are right. In fact there is no mathematical difference between playing mirror or no-mirror. But it is all part of the ritual and I feel good to do it this way. But please feel free to adapt what I describe here anyway you want.)

In any case I am now ready to play so I start the casino up and log in to play for real.

First we play row 1 from the above.

1 BBPBP

The Labouchere I use this time will be L: 11111 ( one could decide to play L: 0000011111 but to often that results in higher bets in the end while the short row I am using often can be finished by using only 3 or 4 rows of the 10 I had prepared)

Bet 1 is 2 units on B. Outcome is Banker. I win so up two units and L: 111 only
So I won this row and now play 4 free hands to finish the row:
Outcome of first 5 hands: BBBBB

Next: 2n row generated to play:

2 PBBBB

Bet 1 this time is 2 units on P. Outcome is a Tie which I ignore and bet again 2 units on P. Outcome si Banker so I loose: L: 1112.
This time I need to play the second bet of my row to bet 3 units so 3 units on Banker.
Outcome is Player so I loose again. So now L: 11123
So now I need to play the 3rd bet of my row which again is Banker. So next bet is 4 units on Banker.
Outcome is Player so I loose again and Labby is L: 111234.
Next bet is number 4 of my row and I have to bet 5 units on Banker.
Outcome is Banker so I win this time. Labby changes into L: 1123.
Now remember I need to finish this row so I play one free hand again.
Outcome of the 2nd row of 5 hands by the casino was: BPPBB.

Next 3rd row generated to play:

3 BBPBP

Bet 1 this time is on Banker and the bet size is 4 units.
Outcome is Player so I loose Labby goes to L: 11234
Bet 2 is 5 units on Banker. Outcome is Banker so I win Labby goes to L: 123
So this row I have won once an I need to play 3 free hands to finish the row.
Outcome of 3rd row of 5 hands by the casino was: PBBPP.

Next 4th row generated to play:

4 BPPBB

Bet 1 this time is on Banker and the bet size is 4. Outcome is Banker so I win. Labby goes to L: 2
The row must now be finished so I need 4 free hands.
Outcome of the 4th row by the casino was: BPPPP

Next 5th row generated to play:

5 BBBBB
( yes this happens when the RNG of excel result in a 0 that means a row of 00000 = PPPPP so mirror is 5 x B)

Bet 1 this time is 2 units on Banker. Outcome is Player so I loose. Labby goes to L: 22
Bet 2 will be 4 units on Banker. Outcome is Banker so I win. Labby is finished. In total I won 4 units ( as during the game the commission on the winning Banker bets took the remaining won 1 unit so that left me with 4 units profit.


So now this game is finished completely. The max bet size was only 5 units. While in the end winning 4 units. But as you can see I needed only 5 from the 10 rows I had generated. If luck runs out and after playing row 10 we are still in the negative, just start a new game and carry forward the loss to the next game. At that time you need to determine wisely which Labby you use. You might want to play for example 0000022222 giving a good chance to recover a loss from a previous game while each bet remains manageable. Also be wise and us e STOP loss in every game. If bad luck strikes at least you can keep the losses within acceptable limits. One advantage I find in playing this way that it take away most of the emotions from the game. This type of system can be played mechanically without any emotions when betting or determining bet size. It is all preset. So far I have not seen at all loosing more than 2 complete rows in a game. Very often the win is on the first or the second bet of the row and considering that Loosing means adding one nmber to Labby but winning means striking 2 number So winning on the second bet means that the Labby row is one less than before. Winning on the third bet of a row means that the length of Labby stays the same. All in all I have not yet lost any game yet playing this method and never reached my STOP LOSS. But as you know most systems win most of the time but no system wins all of the time……..

Happy new Year to you all.

 

Cheers
A fundamental problem( in mho as I have used your selection process many many years ago, it’s a fairly valuable method, but I no longer use that or the history never repeat method anymore, the history never repeats is the next logical step you will take on the path you are currently on) is that you are using a progressive bet, and you seem not to have listed any contingency plan for when the black swan event will ( and it will ) happen. The supposed protection of — - It hasn’t happened yet —- really is not a professional proactive bankroll protection plan.
The black swan event is not necessarily all 5 column x 10 being the case, although I have seen it happen, the event can be as little as 5 loss 1 win 5 loss 1 win 8 loss 1 win. Depending on the position of above event , start of your run, 2 nd column last bet , whatever. Although you have put some thought into this you are still flying blind from the information you have supplied in the previous couple of posts as I Interpret it.
A point I would like to say is if what you are doing in the way you discussed was viable don’t you think that it would be splashed all over the interverse by now as the hg of baccarat? As a fun ( loss of money is never fun imho) way of playing at lowest min bet , yeah sure it has traction but you will not recoup unless you take your thought process to the next couple of levels .
You are in the right place to increase your knowledge as there are a couple of good threads to help you if you go looking for them this forum, they are not always a baccarat thread but other threads that are interchangeable with even money results.
At least you’re not martingaling this method your using, running sims or back test is not helpful in real world play . Cheers

 

Cheers back. Thanks for your reply. I am fully aware of the risk of cascading losses when playing Labouchere. But at least it helps often to overcome one or two rows of losses. For now I have set my Stop Loss at 20 units. Withthe normal gain of 4-5 units profit per game a loss can be recovered in 5 games. And of course that is no guarantee either. If you have better ideas to minimize the risk I am all ears.

 

Hey Dutchman,

In your labby play, do you have maximum units to bet or do you go for 20 units stop loss only.

Cheers

 

Yes, please re read quote

For starters
Reconsider your ror @20 unit stop loss , maybe unrealistic high
Consider flat betting a higher unit value
example you say $650 bankroll divided into 5 day banks =$130 per day betting bankroll at $13 per unit give you 10 betting units
Using the 10 unit betting bankroll with your current selection application I would quit if I lost first 3 bets in a row , take a break and resume another shoe later
BUT
If you alter your selection application and practice switch hitting plus skip bets after you read the random thread principle plus flat betting you will last longer than you could expect to last with your current approach.
Any fool can gamble, all the casino online and land based are a testament to that statement, your decision is are you a gambler or a professional businessman. If you consider yourself the later than your first and only thought would be bankroll preservation. No bankroll then all the theoretical back tests, paper trades become meaningless
As in trading having a stop loss in place is good but very few that do actually ever have a logical entry point nor do they have criteria in place to afford logical exit points BEFORE the stop loss has to be triggered. With a 20 unit stop loss that “Should be able to recovered over 5 games because you make 4-5 units profit per game “ is a gamblers attitude imho
Just to reiterate there is help at this forum if you choose to look but if you wish to continue “ gambling “ I hope that some of the more gullible readers here realise what you are seemingly suggesting by your posts up until now is just
“ having fun at the casino losing small amounts of money with no real thought to the process “ and NOT the Definitive money making application that these sorts of posts tend to be , weather or not it’s contrary to the original posters intended reason for the initial post.
I get that you think you have something new to relate , I’m sorry but you don’t, but you do have an opportunity to add considerable knowledge to the little bit you do know now. Then come back and present what you currently know with the extra that you can learn ( it will take some time) as a complete and EXPANDED package from a professional standpoint. Or not.
I like Nathan’s often posted tag line that he posts and perhaps you may post something similar to “ Player Discretion required “ when using this method etc
Cheers and good luck

 

Dutchman this is not a personal attack on you in regards to the post I posted above. Quite often we cannot see the forest for the trees . In my past,many years ago, I too was seduced by the vagueness of gambling and was not aware of it , it is such a subtle thing at times, almost evangelical in some respect the self comfort of seemingly knowing you have found a truth, a holy grail the hand-of god etc or something or other. It’s a normal occurrence and other posters this forum have various categories and labels for the various stages a person finds oneself in regards to this industry, I tend to agree with them in the most part but not entirely.
The way out of gambling is a change of one’s own mindset. In saying that the information is contained in this forum that you need, I’m not going to dig it out and learn it for you , as stated nothing personal and no malicious intent intended. Cheers

 

Good question.

 

Chasing losses with any negative progression and setting a loss limit too makes no sense.

 

To be honest I have not yet reached either of the two choices so I am not fully sure but I am tempted to go for max negative position of 20 units in that particular game I am playing. So Suppose I am up 2 units than the total SL would be extended till 22. I found one very negative game ( which I was testing) on a life casino baccarat game and it took 13 rows of 5 beads to finally finish the labby row. The highest labby that occurred during this very difficult ( bad luck situation but in test modus) game was 5 5 10 15 20 so in that case a bet of 25 was needed but in the end it went: L: 5 10 15 then L: 10 then a loss so L: 10 10 and the a win and game was finished. SO I realize that this will occur (or worse ) sooner or later. So when I am playing for money I intent to quit before reaching the high numbers I noticed and simply accept the Stop Loss of 20 units of the BR I started with.

 

That loss limit is a very important tool for plays®s who pocket NET WINNINGS and do not replay winnings during the course of a session.


That`s an entirely different money management program by itself which I am not further ready to explain in detail.


Cheers, Happy Winnings.

 

Thanks for your reply. I have read several posting here but I find this forum very scattered when it comes to finding valuable information. If ther are one or more treads in the Baccarat section which you can recommend to read I will be grateful. Thanks in advance. I am retired but not too old to learn good things ;-)

 

Dutchman The name of the topic " Baccarat------ the best small business " by Lungyeh .

Money management topic at its best .

 

If any of these fools could really win at gambling, they wouldn't waste their time talking about it on here or trying to shove it down your throats.

 

And yet here you are since 2015.
Enjoy the journey ?
Cheers

 

I would rate reading random ( gizmotron, roulette forum ) much higher than small business , mainly for a different angle on bet selection, identifying when to switch hit and or no bet / paper trade. Also because I rate bet selection criteria as the gold standard.
Face it if your bet selection criteria sucks no amount of money management will help you , therefore reading random rates higher than small business thread in my opinion. It gets to the point and less other stuff. You will find some excellent information in the small business thread imho.
In my opinion ( and I must impress the fact that I’m totally BIASED towards FLAT BETTING ) a bet selection criteria is redundant it you can’t make a profit from it flat betting full stop.
I have previously posted a response to the question if the selection criteria is profitable by flat betting why wouldn’t you use a progressive bet and clean up the casino bank vault. Quick reiteration and only for your benefit Dutchman, as you are new and I don’t want to fish out the exact post in thread x etc. Psychologically I personally cannot handle it for
one ,
too much baggage from the distance past,
second
why give the casino money you don’t have to,
third
it actually can compell you to stay longer than you actually need to,
fourth
it’s Much much easier to take a break at say 3,4, or 5 flat units down than to break at the 5th stage of a progression bet system , then come back resume the flat bet to re coup as opposed to restarting at say the level 6 progressive bet amount. In my opinion flat betting much easier to handle in that situation.
Lastly
Common sense in regards to table limits, time constraints, realistic personal ability to handle long outs etc.
cheers

 

As you say you are retired I would assume you have enough time to do the relevant leg work in sifting through the various threads. The Patients you exercise in that task will not only help you to save money, but it will expose your mind to a number of different perspectives that will assist you or it may not, as I’m assuming you are an intelligent man and not some degenerate gambler that’s nearing the end of this mortal coil and has surplus cash to burn and not many years left to do it.
COVID is not going away soon , casino is not a safe place at the moment, why not spend a couple of weeks, save some cash , get an education or not if you decide you’ve nothing to learn after that time spent reading a few threads. So be it no harm no foul
But if you do learn something, well how good would that be ?
Food for thought
cheers

 

I'm sure these were intended for you guys.

 

OK. Let us all switch to Sic Bo.

 

That guy is Sic Bo.