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Roulette For you morons that follow the tote boards

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by jbs, Apr 13, 2018.

  1. jbs

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  2. Sharptracker

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    I'm sorry but it's not because the house has 2.7 edge that it is impossible to win money.

    The casino s edge is low, and lower the edge is greaters are the fluctuations.

    I'm agree a player can't win in the long term, and it is useless to try to "resist" longer you can because when you divide win/hours you realized that you should have worked at Macdo because you would have made more, but if the player knows what he s doing and what he is facing, he can win some money, big money.
     
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    And for you morons that don't, check this logic out.

    You know I bet on 24 numbers looking for the other 14 to sleep in a row. So I might bet on the second and third column while seeing that the first column was inactive for four spins in a row.

    "If there’s ten reds in a row, you can count on the players at the table betting more on black, thinking the streak has to end."

    Now we both agree that the board does not predict anything. But what most of you don't know is that 15 sleeping dozens in a row happens about three or four times a day in any single grouping of dozens. So here is how it all plays out. You have a 63% chance of winning by betting that the sleeping dozen will keep sleeping. If that wins then it becomes a 50/50 bet if you bet it to sleep a second time. If you lose, its the same cost as a 50/50 bet assuming you are flat betting. If the next bet wins then you break even if the next bet loses. Now if you have swung into one of the 15 sleepers for the day you get 8 more wins before a loss. When you do finally lose you must take off two. The net win on just one of those is worth the entire session. So it's not totally bogus to try to hit a win streak that is already showing signs that it might be happening. It's the only indication you will get. The trick is in knowing how to live with and recover from losing a bet in the first place. That is something you do all day while you play. If you can stay close to even while waiting for these opportunities then you have a winning method. If you grind away down it will at best just to balance out. It really depends on if you are good at it or not. If you are good at it you are not a moron.
     
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    No, the house edge is much larger than the fluctuations after enough spins have been played. This is easily demonstrated mathematically.

    The player MUST have the edge in order to win in the long run. Hitting and running, and experience don't beat the house edge. Exploiting the wheel does.
     
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    i didn't say the player will win in the long run.

    I said house edge is low, so the fluctuation are large (he can bear because of his bankroll). If there are fluctuation, players on short term can easily make damage with a winning progression that let them far away before they stop.
     
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    It must be nice to have that bullet in your pocket Barney Fife. I'll keep that in mind that you have always cared for me and tried to warn me. Thanks for always being there.
     
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    Past spins mean nothing - that's why the reader boards are useless.
    But hey, people look at them and then place bets - the author is right, they work perfectly
    to get more money from people who don't know any better.
     
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    wrong address
     
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    more animated gif shit
     
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    Sknowshit and his evil twin:

    [​IMG]
     
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    They could have done better, if i had a casino i would want the billboard makes announcement when there s 5 red in a row to suggest people to bet on black. :rolleyes:
     
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    After finding a biased wheel, the reader boards have served as a road map for me. Over the decades they've help me make gazillions.
    The problem is that many of you only look at a handful of boards and only look at the short term nonsense.
     
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    Make gazillions ?

    ROFL - it's friday night - I'm convinced a few posters are drunk.
    That's got to be it.
    I'll log in tomorrow when the "land of make believe" is over.
     
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    Which part do you find the hardest to believe?
     
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    Short term is not a nonsense (Dubins&Savage), it is somewhere where everything can happen.
    Most of the time, it's not the -2.7% but the variance that kills the player. Actually you must know that even with a edge the ror can be surprising for example a Bj player with an edge could easily being destroyed by the variance.

    The Gauss curve is what it is, players late on the mean, most of players in the mean and some player in advance on the mean. Of course you cannot chose where you'll be, but if you know and suppose to be on the good side of the curve, then winning progression are more useful than losing progression. Trying to last and get to the long term, trying to resist will make you realize once that you would have won more working at Burgerking for the same time spent.

    Players must only know what they face and what's the best way to gamble, this is to come to my final point... do you really think that everyone could be an AP? It is a full time investisment and a certain way to see things, that would be as harder as getting a mathematical edge at roulette...
     
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    Not a chance. I could give everyone a road map, but very few could actually do it.

    There almost always seems to be something missing that prevents many from succeeding.
    For example, free time, incessant drive, foresight, meticulousness, favorable region of the world with access to opportunities, mindset, etc...
     
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    So what is the message that you want to pass? Don't play -2.7% but play Ap where you got almost no chance to suceed?

    Or it is just coz it must be frustrating to be one in 50 millions, and that very few really recognize/understand this talent, that AP wants to shout it everywhere on forums? Arrrff This need of recognition :)
     
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    It's not hard - it's one of those things some people make sound complex when in reality
    it's just about knowing what to look for.
    (and recording shit tons of spins) - or not many spins if the flaw is obvious but where's
    that going to happen ?
    Hey Sir - Is the Hard Rock (old Taj Mahal) going to be a fun place or what ?
    I wonder if they're bringing in all new wheels. Are you drooling yet ? I would be.
     
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    People can play much smarter, but I'm not the international sales rep for an AP method, as I'm rather protective over some aspects of what it is that I do. But I am an opportunist. I keep tabs on opportunities via forums, Skype, twitter, and network with other APs. Along the way I sometimes point out BS, baloney, and hucksters that are attempting to exploit the poor and ignorant.

    By the way, do you know what the term AP means? It means advantage player. Having the advantage over the casino should be the goal of every player if they want to be a long term winner.
     
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    When is it supposed to open?
    You know I haven't actually been through all of the casinos in AC in probably a year and a half. I've been all around Penn, NY and the region, but have stayed out of AC for a while.

    AC, in particular Trump Plaza, used to be a gold mine for me. Roughly half of the wheels there were strongly biased. The Hilton, Bally's, and Trop weren't bad either. Even the old Taj had some good wheels.

    You know I got one of my Starburst wheels from the Taj.
     
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