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TurboGenius Gambler's Fallacy debunked (again) and roulette math.

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Oct 3, 2021.

  1. Denzie

    Denzie Active Member

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    Impractical.....maybe .
    Just like MI method it doesn't win all the time. But it wins more than it loses. Just like the horse race it doesn't win all the time ( depending what you play) but it wins more than it loses. As long a method doesn't require 1000u to win 100u you'll be ok. If it requires 1000u to win 1000u ....
     
  2. Gigi666

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    Thats still my problem, in tests I can win 90%+ of sessions but, on avg (with that one method for horse race) I am taking 38u, while a losing session can be -400-500u (winning sessions never go below -400u). That still produces a positive total P/L of 1000u+ per 50 sessions played, but I can't be sure I won't hit 3 losing sessions very close to each other and it is a bit of a grind. I could play 100u to make 38u, but that drops the win rate and the overall profit.
     
  3. Denzie

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    Is there any update? I kinda like MI for at home. Fairly easy with RX but nearly impossible at the tables.
     
  4. Denzie

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    The progression is strong indeed. Works even better in the hot horse race :)
     
  5. KarlAtwo

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    Again you dont know maths...

    For sake of argument take this simple explanation.

    A number is "behind" 500 spins.

    Here after the number shows exactly 1:37

    10000 iterations later.

    What is the average???

    Ill help

    10000 x 37
    + 500
    / 10000

    the average is 1:37.05

    Not once it went below 1:37

    Nothing is due get this through your head!
     
  6. KarlAtwo

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    Don't believe me.

    Test this ( and not a few of course)

    take the last number that hast been hit. (average will be 1:154 or so)

    take a random number.

    Make a list of 1 to 37 and 38+

    play these 2 numbers until they have 10 hits each

    note the interval.

    play a few hundred times.

    Will there be a difference in the interval?

    According to turbo there will be a difference
     
  7. KarlAtwo

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    Here Ill help again.

    Did 500 games of 9 hits after the first hit and note the interval

    Contenders. The first number out (spin 1) and the last number out.


    LAST FIRST
    1 124 1 128
    2 110 2 107
    3 131 3 114
    4 117 4 124
    5 91 5 114
    6 108 6 102
    7 98 7 99
    8 89 8 91
    9 104 9 93
    10 93 10 84

    So calculated how many times it got a 1 interval till 10. (no point going further)

    Is there a difference in the data???

    No nothing, dont believe me check yourself.

    So again (and again) @TurboGenius YOUR math is wrong!
     

  8. Timothy

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    "Also it's clear that if you just play any random number on the table for 37 spins, you will
    win 2/3 of the time you do this on average...... Why ?
    Because as I explained above - a number that doesn't appear for a long time has to appear
    more than once to create this average."

    When I read this, I interpreted it as him saying any random number performs the same way. But that's just me...
     
  9. HAL

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    Calculated? What do YOU mean with 1 interval till 10?
     
  10. HAL

    HAL Member

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    It’s not about the number that is showing once in 500 spins!
    Average is not good enough.
    If you start playing you don’t know what’s behind.
    Where does the ball go if a number is 1/500?
     
  11. Platton

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    Hello, Hal! What do you mean average is not enough? Does this apply to his example, or in general?
     
  12. HAL

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    Average is 1/37 - pay out 1/35.
     
  13. KarlAtwo

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    Maybe I was not clear:

    Nr 36 comes at spin 1 Nr 36 spin comes at spin 2. So the interval is 1.

    Nr 36 comes at spin 1 Nr x comes at spin 2 Nr 36 comes at spin 3 So the interval is 2.

    etc etc...

    As you can see for your self there isnt a tiny bit of difference.

    Turbo CLEARLY says "Any spin count MORE than 37 means there has to be a spin count LOWER than 37"

    This isnt true!

    Take a number that is way above interval 37

    Take a number that is way under interval 37

    Start playing them both.

    You could start with the first Hit or the First 2 hits or the First 10 hits or X hits.

    Compare the intervals

    IS there a difference???

    Absolutly not!

    Conclusion:

    His MATH was wrong...
     
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2024 at 10:36 AM
  14. HAL

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    Everything after etc etc... is wrong!

    Turbo CLEARLY says "Any spin count MORE than 37 means there has to be a spin count LOWER than 37"
    This means: (0-roulette) let’s say we play 37 spins and one number doesn’t show up, we have one number 0/37 (read this as 1/(38 = More then 37)) 36 numbers 1/37 and one number 2/37 (lower then 37).

    You’re looking for something but it is still cold.
     


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