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Misc Gambling Problem?

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Gambling Forum' started by Tony Baloney, Apr 3, 2015.

  1. Tony Baloney

    Tony Baloney Member Lineage to Founders

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  2. albalaha

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    A book? any outlines?
     
  3. Tony Baloney

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    Nope. Just a meme
     
  4. Crizelle Velasco

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    Yeah.. other wise it won't be considered as a problem at all...
     
  5. JavierMosher

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    hi,most other definitions of problem gambling can usually be simplified to any gambling that causes harm to the gambler or someone else in any way.Problem gambling is often defined by whether harm is experienced by the gambler or others, rather than by the gambler's behavior.
     
  6. Trigety

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    That is truly what it is!
     
  7. Trigety

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    Tho the loosing makes the problems occur, else it would be a party of joy! But i would say "gambling problem" is when you do not know when to stop... My father even told me that :D
     
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  8. albalaha

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    Any addiction that do not let you calm without having it, is fatal. Moderate gambling from spare money could be acceptable as a leisure activity. Over gambling or keeping indulged in it, day and night, kills.
     
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  9. Mark V

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    Albalha is spot on.

    A person can be addicted to religion, making donations to the church, its founders, and its projects, and end up on the brink of poverty. Some churches shake down its member ruthlessly taking them for everything they got and tell these poor victims that it is all about their faith in God that they will live on.

    This is actually a huge problem and is far greater and widely spread than gambling addiction is.

    I volunteered for a few years at a Food Pantry and you would think it be the drug addicts and gambling addicts that showed up. Wrong! It was the religious people who showed up cause they gave it all to the crooks and cons who masquerade as religious crusaders.

    Why is there not a 12 step program for such people who are caught in this massive web of lies and deceit?
     
  10. albalaha

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    The worst form of addiction known to mankind is " narcotic drugs". Just to feel high, people waste a lot of money and even endanger their health and lives. Similarly, a hardcore smoker or an alcoholic drunkard or even a womaniser can do bigger harm to the society and to his family and himself than a moderate gambler.
    Rather casino gambling is the only addiction that can be enjoyed with your family without being cursed or worried of your health or morality.
     
  11. Danielle

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    Lol I love that. Pretty true when you think about it though. I agree with @albalaha though. When you're gambling you can be with your family and your friends and have a good time. If you're doing drugs, then you can't do that and you will also end up with very poor health if you don't die from all the drugs.
     
  12. AllisonRam

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    For anyone new:

    Want to join my Christmas Loom!?
    How it starts is the person in the center will list their PayPal and when you pay the $100 towards that and show your screenshot of the transaction then I will simply put your name into 1 of the open sections. Once all 8 blue tabs are filled you will move up in level! Then when 8 more people are added you'll be moved to pink and so forth! Once your in the purple section each new member will send YOU $100! This is just such an awesome opportunity to pass! I've been in purple for 20 minutes and already received my $100 back. You can buy as many slots as you'd like. Each one will pay out. You do not have to add any certain number of people but the more you add the faster you advance and get a pay out! You can send payment to friends and family thru PayPal, email is:

    Here's the link to share with everyone!!
     
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    Want to hoping my Christmas loom? Chance at winning $800!


    How it starts is the person in the center will list their PayPal and when you pay the $100 towards that and show your screenshot of the transaction then I will simply put your name into 1 of the open sections. Once all 8 blue tabs are filled you will move up in level! Then when 8 more people are added you'll be moved to pink and so forth! Once your in the purple section each new member will send YOU $100! This is just such an awesome opportunity to pass! I've been in purple for 20 minutes and already received my $100 back. You can buy as many slots as you'd like. Each one will pay out. You do not have to add any certain number of people but the more you add the faster you advance and get a pay out! You can send payment to friends and family thru PayPal, email is:

    Here's the link to share with everyone!!
     
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    This is the right definition. It is mostly a subjective state of living. If it feels good it's fine, if you feel it ruins your life there's a problem. Simple as that.
     
  15. gizmotron2

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    Before You Reach The Bottom

    I'd like to start with a very interesting topic about "Problem Gambling." Notice first that I did not say Gambling Addiction. For decades the issue was considered a disorder found in the DSM4, the official book of disorders. But now it is classified as an addiction too in the DSM5. In recent years actual properly conducted experiments have been done to confirm the existence of self cure with regards to Problem Gambling. The definitions for Problem Gambling and Gambling Addiction are quite different. A Problem Gambler can be cured and it has been shown to be true in research that a problem gambler can be cured. But an Addicted Gambler can never be cured. Gambling Addiction treatment is about treating Addiction. It's now classified in the DSM5 so that Addiction Treatment centers can legitimately charge for treatment and services for their counselors, therapists, and Psychologists. When you go that way of treating it, you will always be an addict.

    Now if you will always be an addict, then how come psychological research has proven that a Problem Gambler can be cured for life?

    In this thread I will show you, with their own science, how the cure is the better choice. You don't need to degrade yourself for the rest of your life giving why-you-failed testimonies to like minded suckers that are only there to serve as stooges for the potential clients of someone's therapy business interests.

    You just need to become aware of what is happening to you every time you walk into a casino to gamble. You might be prepared to carry out a well thought out method or strategy on exactly what to do and when to do it. You really should not waste your time in a casino before you have a winning method anyway. But let's assume for the sake of argument that you do have a plan. The question is are you prepared to carry out that plan.

    I don't care who you are. Everyone must deal with the chemical changes that will occur as they start to sit down and play. Now you can affix anything you want to how you go about starting how or where you actually gamble. But at some point everyone must deal with these changes that will happen. You have a logic center to your brain. Most of us experienced players come to the casino rooted in our logic centers with actual strategies and methods already mapped out and planned. Having said that, the playing itself can cause chemical changes that send Adrenalin and Endorphin messages to the pleasure center of our brains. And this is where the war is won or lost. You have it in you to cure yourself right on the spot and right now when this chemical change occurs.

    You must force yourself back into the logic center of your brain. The pleasure center turns off your defense against losing and caring that you are losing. When that happens you stop executing your plan.

    Have you ever heard of Pavlov's dog? This is also known as Classical Conditioning. Some people are so screwed up by these chemical changes that their brains begin to shift out of the logic center as they anticipate gambling on the drive over to the casino.

    So my recommendation is to come prepared to win with a proven plan and to deliberately turn off the pleasure center of your brain. Find a way to stay or get back into the logic center where your plan can be properly executed.

    You don't have to hit the very bottom where you are gambling with money that you need or have other plans for.

    Think!

    Ref; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning
     
  16. HowMany

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    I was a bookie back in the 90's. I attended a few Gamblers Anonymous meetings looking for new customers.

    It worked. Found a few newbies, and took all their money.

    Indeed they were broke when we met, but problem gamblers have an incredible ability to find money to bet.

    Fucking degenerates.
     
  17. Rona

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    Look in the mirror. You should be ashamed of yourself.
     
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    oh dear.
     
  19. MrV

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    Regarding gambling, chemistry and gambling addiction:

    I haven't looked into it yet, but it occurs to me that one way to attack the problem of addicted gamblers seeking the endorphin/adrenalin high which gambling provides them is to come up with a way to block or minimize the body generating endorphin/adrenalin, or subastantially suppress it.

    I'd envision someone taking a pill an hour or so before gambling, then when they gamble and do not get the sought high: game over?

    Dunno, but it sort of makes sense: the question: is there such a drug, one that suppresses the high?

    If so, is this part of any therapy / treatment program?
     
  20. gizmotron2

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    The important part of the research is in how the brain has different parts for different purposes. A pill will not help you with that. If you have a tried and proven advantage, say it's counting cards, you will still have your logic center lose control as the pleasure center takes over. Now anyone that can force themselves to concentrate with the logical decision making process can send the brain back into the logic center. This is what happens when the pleasure center is allowed to take over. You no longer have any concerns about losing. This chemical reaction to the anticipation of gambling is chemical but what it does in your brain is to cause the brain to go into the non-thinking zone. You can only go back into the logic center if you have a very powerful method and strategy to follow. You have to be like a trained pilot that can ignore what they feel and fly the plane by what they see in the instruments. I know this from experience. I'm a pilot and a self controlled gambler.

    Here is what it is like. You got killed at the casino because you were going to play the red/black only, flat betting. You got killed because you didn't stick just to red/black flat betting. So that was yesterday. You sat there the rest of the day at home and the next morning kicking yourself for not sticking to the plan. You tell yourself if you had only stuck to the plan that you would have not lost so much. Your logic center sees what you did wrong. You could have only lost 10% if you only done partially bad sticking to blacks/reds, but you went off the plan and started chasing hot streaks that didn't last.

    So now it's the next day and you know what you did wrong. So you decide to go back to the casino because you know what you did wrong. On the way there you start to have anxious feelings about playing again. Before you are even there the pleasure center takes over. You can barely keep your mind on sticking with the red/blacks and flat betting. So you buy in, and start out just playing the red/blacks correctly. Then for some reason you go back to making the exact same mistake that you made the day before. You are off chasing hot streaks that sometimes work, and increase the chemicals that shift brain function even more.

    My first flight instructor told me what almost all flight instructors tell their students. "No matter what happens, always fly the plane."

    You must have a trained skill to stick to. You must execute that skill no matter what happens. The greatest distraction in the casino is inside your own head. The chemicals are not the excuse to fail. It's you not keeping your head that causes the trouble.
     

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