Craps Harley Lambasts Me Hard

[I am correcting Harley's writing mistakes but at some point I stop.]

HARLEY: Well, let me preface this review as only Part 1 (~17:30 minutes) of the interview [Tipping the Odds Vegas web site] .... Poor Frank -- amazing how much he thinks he knows about craps, but misses so much of reality:

HARLEY: Frank basically says craps is 100% about the math -- that there is no such thing as trending and external factors that effect the outcome of the dice ... yet he says on his blog that if he is traveling to an away baseball game, his attendance effects the outcome.

FRANK: Trends occur all the time in craps and in every casino game. But they cannot be predicted based on past events. Yes, you can predict the probabilities of this or that event occurring but since the casino has “fixed” the payouts and/or odds, this does not help you to get an advantage. The fun I am having with Jerry Stickman by claiming our attending baseball games determines the outcome is satire, lunacy, silliness and the tone of the pieces reflects that fact. No one of average intelligence can miss that tone --- at least I don't think so.

HARLEY: Frank says you have to ignore trends and look at a million rolls to realize that the math will even out .... yet he ignores reality that no one plays for a million rolls with the same dice on the same table.

FRANK: A million rolls? Probably many, many more would be needed to see actual events closely mirror the probabilities. However, whether you play in the short run or over millions / billions of rolls, one thing is clear: There is only one way to bet in a random game and that is to make the bets with the lowest house edges. If you had to bet for everyone playing craps this year all over the world, how would you bet for each and every one of them? You’d make the lowest house-edge bets --- that’s what you’d do --- for each and every one of them. Well, why wouldn’t you make the lowest house-edge bets on yourself? You are one of the every one of them aren't you?

HARLEY: Frank talks about following trends in other forms of gambling, such as roulette throughout his articles, yet says you should ignore the possibility of trends in craps.

FRANK: The use of trend betting in all games (the way I envision it) is simply to reduce the number of decisions that a player faces. Doing so reduces the amount of money a player can expect to lose. I never say trend betting can give you an edge. The 5-Count in craps does the same thing. It reduces the amount you bet on random rolls by about 57 percent. (I posted an article of mine about trend betting. That will show what and how I write about trend betting.)

HARLEY: Will Frank reveal that the math of craps may be altered by the introduction of unbalanced dice into the game by casinos?

FRANK: Absolutely, unbalanced dice would change the nature of the game. The big question is whether such a thing is a common occurrence in casinos. I think it isn’t. The game is already “unbalanced” against the player.

HARLEY: Will Frank admit he has never used a dice balancing caliper for more than one hour correctly to measure live casino dice, yet calls himself a dice expert?

FRANK: Dice expert? No. I am not a dice expert. I played with the dice at Monopoly and Risk and I can see and feel the difference between those types of dice and casino dice but I am not a dice expert. Craps --- the game --- that I know.

HARLEY: Frank says he will disclose that 17% of the "dice controllers" that were "dishonest" ("scammers") and/or "insane" in his employ and he had to fire.

FRANK: Yes. Some were dishonest. Some didn’t follow the rules (but were not dishonest). I’ll name names and/or handles and what they were about.

HARLEY: Will Frank admit he may be just a bad judge of character ... firing almost 17% (approximately 1 in 6) of your partners/employees tells me you may just be a bad business manager or maybe you foster an atmosphere that allows for such discord?

FRANK: No “maybes” have meaning. Maybe I did foster a bad atmosphere. Maybe I fostered a great atmosphere. Harley should stick to direct questions. Bad judge of character? Read the book and see. Bad business manager? Read the book and see.

HARLEY: Will Frank admit that he is guilty of contributory negligence for allowing one of his partners/employees to steal $51,000 from him?

FRANK: Huh?

HARLEY: Will Frank admit that the real truth about the Captain is also "dishonest" -- that the Captain's dice accomplishments were exaggerated for marketing purposes?

FRANK: No. The truth is the truth. The Captain was everything I said he was. A truly great man; a truly great, great man.

HARLEY: Will Frank admit that the cheap GTC dice he sold on his website were unbalanced ??!! (I have physical evidence as proof)

FRANK: At this point it is getting silly for me to correct Harley’s writing. The above is how Harley writes. What’s with the "??!!"? A single question mark would suffice. Why not a period inside the parenthesis? As for GTC dice, prove away. (By the way, people do make mistakes in writing all the time but time after time gets distracting.) And watch for the capital letters of words that shouldn’t have capital letters coming up (many were before this point too) and then strange bolding of words and phrases. I am beginning to see why Heavy got incensed by Harley. (I don’t get incensed much. In some ways this back and forth is fun.)

HARLEY: Will Frank admit that it is possible that Casinos may also be "Dishonest" in the game of craps or only players/partners/employees allowed to be "Dishonest" and "evil" ??!!
(cue in all the historical greedy "evil" corporations here, especially those that are allowed to exist in a "Fox guarding the Hen house" State Gaming Commission scenario)

FRANK: Huh?

HARLEY: Will Frank disclose the names of these 17% firings in his new book ??

FRANK: Names and/or handles.

HARLEY: Interesting that you can infer that Frank's Business Management interviewing skills were basically like rolling fair dice -- that his partnering/hiring skills were like rolling a 7 (roughly 17%)

FRANK: Huh?

HARLEY: Will Frank disclose that he received monies directly or indirectly from Casinos to help fund parts of his Craps business, publishing books, etc. (other than from the tables) ??

FRANK: No casino ever paid me for anything other than giving courses to their personnel on how to be better dealers and pit people; nothing to do with how to play the games. No casino ever helped me get a book published; there I was lucky. I sent my first book Beat the Craps Out of the Casinos to 77 publishers and two wanted to publish it, Bonus Books and Lyle Stuart. I went with Bonus because they answered me first.

HARLEY:..... IMO, Franks suffers from the typical "teacher syndrome" - that teachers live more in theory than reality ... and that most teachers can not be successful in business using a pure honest business model .... However, Frank is probably the most successful marketing guru of Craps ... in other words Frank Scoblete is the Madonna of Craps

FRANK: I am not a businessman, that’s for sure. I am happy that my books and later some of my television shows hit. I don’t have the guts to borrow money and start a business.

HARLEY: Frank does admit in Part 1 of the interview at Minute 52:00 of the above mentioned Link by basically saying: that you cannot "BS your way around" in solid subjects like Math or Science ... but "with Literature, as long as you know your stuff, you can make things interesting" for your audience ... and "teaching Literature fit his personality" (cue in the exaggerated "BS" storytelling of the Captain here)... and that is just my opinion

FRANK: A good teacher can make teaching literature fun (or somewhat fun) to students. It is much harder to teach math or science. Being a good teacher and being a good and successful writer are two totally different things. How Harley knows what is BS amazes me because he never met or played craps with the Captain.

Okay, that's it. Harley has more stuff on me but I am going to now bow out of the discussion. My wife the Beautiful AP just told me, "Why are you wasting your time when you are writing another book?" She's right. But I do hope the above was interesting.

 

Frank Sco - thank you for being so candid and replying !!!! (I would have given you 4 exclamation points, but you expressly implied that would not be proper)

.... And thank you for the Literary and English writing lessons - do you work for Deadcat's Mom (she's an editor)

 

Hu is Deadcat? Related to "Deaddog" any chance? Just kidding of course, but who knows.

 

Deadcat is Mad Professor's Paramour!!! LOL

 

Frank - hope the writing on your new book is going well (really no satire), but be careful about throwing stones in glass houses ... for instance:

1. The title of this thread started by you has a misspelld word, unless you are a foreigner as you wrote "Lambasts":

2. In your answer above, you used 3 hyphens instead of 2: "Craps --- the game --- that I know."

3. How is "Huh?" correct literary !! ... it does not contain a subject and action that is normally required for a complete thought to be expressed.

Also, instead of answering my queries on the original thread, did you start a new thread to:
A. Avoid answering all my questions and just pick out the easier ones,
B. Create more threads about you is better Marketing,
C. Both A and B.

Ok - enough with the non-sense diversionary OFF-TOPIC BS ... let's get back to the real issue at hand -- writing your new Craps Book ....

It seems your old buddy Irish (sock puppet extraordinaire aka Thomas Morgan aka The Irishsetter aka fish aka deagle02 aka Dicenor33) is a bit jealous of our relationship as he posted on Heavy's board:

Frank - In one of your made for TV shows in which irish took part in the filming, why did you have the producer cut and leave on the edit floor 100% of irish's parts? Will the answer be revealed in your new tell-all novel?

 

I tend to use English spelling; for example I use theatre when Americans use theater. My wife has to correct me in that all the time. Using "huh" is not a grammatical sentence. But it fits. It is the same as asking "What?" So don't lambaste me for using lambast.

As far as Irish (I assume that is Irishsetter) I don't remember him doing a television show with me. Anyway, I don't have editing control over real shows --- the producer, the director and the editor have that power. I once did a show where I was filmed for three hours and they used about two minutes on air.

Oh, and three lines is the way we do it when writing a manuscript; just like this ---.

Anyway, Irishsetter's creative attempts to explain why I visited various sites, and how I reacted on those sites, has nothing to do with the truth of the matter. I was writing an article for a magazine (which has been published) rating the different sites I visited. I wanted to get on Heavy's site but Heavy wouldn't allow me. It was that simple. As far as I am concerned, it was Heavy's site and he could invite me or not. His choice.

I actually don't hold any animosity towards those who criticize my ideas and advice; for example, you don't believe in dice control --- fine with me. But sometimes the individuals who go after me seem so dyspeptic. It's as though they hate me as opposed to disagreeing with me.

Sometimes whole scenarios are invented about me, my intentions, my actions, my adventures and then these scenarios are attacked mercilessly; an invention is being attacked by the inventor. As far as I recall, I've only met Irishsetter once; Heavy once (Heavy was quite funny and approachable). I've never met Superrick or Harley, although Superrick says he played craps at the same table with me.

I tend to dismiss those individuals who use sarcasm as the main thrust of their arguments. My experience has shown me that such people are not really interested in ideas but in vituperation. Those people I steer clear of most of the time.

 

Frank - in the interest of disclosure, we have never met formally but I have played craps with you and Dom (more with Dom as he visits Vegas more than you do) ... you have referred to me in your writings as:

I am a fan of your marketing expertise and your writing skills .... and I like your toss at the craps table, I really like your professional approach at the Craps table -- much more so than Dom's temper ....

However, with any and many of your former GTC students that seek me out for toss instructions in Vegas, the 1st GTC issue I eliminate is the pendulum swing or scare-crow mechanics (too many moving parts allows for too many things to go wrong) .... and since I play real Live Casino craps every week for almost 9 years now, I am not so much a fan of what you have done to the Advantage Player Dice Community as I know that some of your craps views are more theory than reality

 

Was that when Dom seemed as if he were going to punch you? Is that the incident that I wrote about? I think I was pretty bad during your sojourn at the table. I did not get any better that night. Now that is sad because I wish I could say that when you left I destroyed them. Obviously, I didn't.

I do write extensively about play at the tables with Dom in my new book. (I keep mentioning my new book and my old books. But if I have covered a topic thoroughly I really don't want to write about it again. So forgive me. Also, I would like everyone on Earth to read my books --- everyone. I've been pushing my nine-year-old grandson to read some of them.)

Actually, over the years I have gone to Vegas far, far more than Dom. I've spent upwards of two and a half months in succession there. Of the 130 days in casinos each year I'd say 60-70 percent were in Vegas.

I think my craps views are reality but we can disagree on that. I've only slowed down the last two years to go to other places.

I'm heading out to dinner with the Beautiful AP. I'll be missing from these pages for about 9-10 days.

 

Frank -

That must be one helluva dinner - OR - the roads are THAT bad on Long Island with all the snow !


$...eE..$

 

Frank - yes, Dom was pretty upset as he let out a loud burst in disgust at Bellagio that evening:

But another time was when Dom's temper at the tables almost had you guys escorted out by security at The M Casino

 

Let's actually look at Frank's book as published .... Frank says he will name names in his tell-all book, but let's look at page 151 - do you see any names or handles as Frank promised ??!!

 

continued .... From Frank Scoblete's new book, I Am a Dice Controller: Inside the World of Advantage-Play Craps! page 152 continued:



Frank - you could clarify the vague situation you wrote on pages 151 and 152 of your new book if you just told the truth and name names like you promised. In fact, you owe the whole world an apology for false advertising and telling us a falsehood when you started a thread on this board on March 6th above

 

Why are you publishing this (again) on this thread? We went over all of this on the "Captain is Real" thread? Anyone who hasn't seen that thread, you can see the whole discussion.

 

Frank - Because we are still waiting for either your apology or your answer to name names - your choice ... no more sidestepping ... time to step up to the plate Frank as you promised. Stand behind your word Frank.

Frank Scoblete - your veracity is on the line here.

 

Stop pretending here and trying to use my words as if they have some kind of meaning against me when in fact you are the guy who brought up Howard and sex.

I did exactly what I said I would do in the book. I will give a free copy of the book to anyone who emails me (while supplies last).

 

Harley's old "switch the thread strategy" to avoid getting caught with his pants down and to apoligize for a mistake. Very similar to what he did with one of the "email" threads involving snakeyes if I recall correctly.

 

fish - this is no switch and bait ... I am simply bringing the issue home where it belongs - to the original thread where Frank promised to name names because a couple of posters seemed to have thought it was off-topic to the Captain's thread

personally, I believe it just shows the validity of Frank's willingness to to not tell the truth .... so I have given him 2 places to tell the truth as it is

 

Thanks Frank:

Not sure whats your email, but mine is
[email protected]

Once i get your email, ill send my address.

thanks again

 

Just sent it.

 

Harley, you hurt your friend without a qualm.