Craps Harley Lambasts Me Hard

Awesome, just sent you my address.

I hear you have a very nice toss, is there a video out there of it? i have the 8 key elements, but Dom shoots Parr on it releasing dice to back wall not square the whole video and drove me nuts.

Do you know Frito? Tall bald guy, live in Vegas... Pushing 55-60 now? Cowboy type... very sweet Parr Shot.? He was my initial PARR coach. Robert, (Frito) Lay. He says he hold the Guinness world record for Longest Roll without a seven.

 

Jerry "Stickman" went 77 rolls without a seven. My shot is on the GTC video.

I hope you enjoy the book.

 

Frank, if you would like to get in touch with your friend after all these years or apologize for calling him a "bunter" in your book or to express your sentiments otherwise, I know Howard would like to hear from you ... he can be reached at either:

 

Oh, Harley, please enough of this. You insulted him; threw him under the bus and may have hurt his marriage. My book has nothing to do with the awful things you wrote.

 

Although the captain nonsense lessens credibility. I do agree with Mr Scoblete regarding "trends"

If trends gave a player an advantage, then the casinos would never provide boards on Bac, and roulette that shows past results. The casinos are saying "you want to spot a trend???be my guest, step right up". Some of the roulette boards break down the last 100 spins as far as outside bets.
At craps if you want to quietly stand on the side and chart , its all good.No one will bother you as long as you dont hold up or prevent action.

As far as the casino is concerned...please come and try to spot trends....please please please.

 

Frank is right about that Trends are nonsense when it comes to craps. However, in today's Casinos certain Patterns and trends can indicate unbalanced dice to create the 'bias dice' effect. One senior player who I knew, who was a tracker, said that dice can be naturally biased or intentionally bias, and that the table surface and backwall can emphasis that bias or denote it. His advantage play for the last 20 years was to find bias dice that where running patterns and trends. He would then capitalize on his finding.

 

Mark, you are an intelligent guy. I just can't see how to actually know a set of dice (or a die) can be determined to be biased. The casino will change the dice (usually) every shift. It seems a fruitless effort. Yes, I have seen amazing streaks but randomness contains amazing streaks.

 

Frank
Craps rolls are not random at all, they just fall inline with the expected odds of certain numbers appearing. Unbalanced dice defy the expected odds and may favor some numbers and suppress others.

Casinos do switch out dice, often one unbalanced type for another unbalanced type. A keen person would keep notes on what dice types the casino uses results in what sort of rolls. Some dice are cooler than others, so carefully taken notes may provide an advantage - if playing the right way.

Of course for the recreational player who is in Las Vegas for a weekend, this is probably not likely to happen. But for a serious player who lives in Las Vegas and plays every day, then taking notes about the dice may indeed lead to advantage play.

Anyway, when was the last time you been in a casino, Frank?

 

Two weeks ago.

 

WOW - WHERE Oh WHERE do I apply for a refund for ALL the expert advice I have garnered over the past few years that contradicts your 2 sentence response to intelligent behavior ?

Perhaps I should start with ' linaway ' - ONLY problem with HIM - he lives in a barn where they do NOT have Postal Service NOR banking -

I have done business with him and had to send a Postal Money order as he does NOT have a bank account -

THEN - there is the conception that the TOP results of the dice are NOT the TRUE outcome -

One needs to look at the " other faces " to determine the " true " results -

Furthermore -

WHY is it that ON-AXIS techniques are openly published via written media and videos - BUT - OFF-AXIS techniques are SO SECRETIVE ???????

I will tell YOU WHY they are so secretive -

Because THEY are TOTAL BullSh*t - just like your " unbalanced dice theory " !

And I at one time actually thought that you were a somewhat intelligent individual !

Guess it shows to go you - just how wrong people can be !

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Are Mark V and Harley the same person?

 

Somebody better stop drinking!

 

There is only one Hardley. Mark V is the Indie guy. An independent film producer of some sorts who plays a lot in the far west indian territories where there is some unbalanced dice unlike Vegas with their unbalanced dice researchers. Just a thought, maybe Frank and Mark V should hookup and make a film about the "Captain of Craps"; maybe along the lines of the Captain America Avengers movie? Just me saying....

 

Grab a snickers. , I'll give a play i use for a trend I see all the time at the tables. Not gonna give you the triggers, bc thats Pro to only TSC clients.

I do every time I play. Like Friday Night. I spotted a Trend on the TEN. Once I got the trigger, I laid the ten for a 1 unit win, then preceded to parlay that win 2 times, then same bet it. Will the trend break and return, that I don't know. Bias in that the tens are not rolling? Don't really know and don't care one way or another. Is it bc the WSOP is in town and magically these serial numbers just jumped 1000 counts, just like last years did? don't know, all i know is last year a 4 was gone 91 rolls before it hit and i rolled both. So maybe if i passed dice, it would have been longer. But TrendSetterCraps Level 3 Took advantage of whatever was going on with the Ten. Playing a $75 unit, I laid I risk 2:1, $150/75, then on the Win, I parlayed to $220 to win $110, then parlayed that $330/$165 after the second win/7out-CO7. Then on the 3rd, I said Same Bet and collected $165. Now after 3 hits I am free rolling and no matter what happens now, I can't lose Money on this TEN. Boom, another 7out/CO7 and Win Another $165 less juice of course.

So $330 is in rack and I now have option a) TSC hits for the 4 tier cycle, take it down and wait for the 10 to reappear? or b) advance to the 2nd bet in Tier 1, ($220/$110) and proceed, knowing if a 10 shows now, I'm up around $100. How scared are you that the 10 will show now and that it will take you twice as long to recoup a 2:1 loss. So I stick to the TSC philosophy, knowing if I lose this 10, I have a historical advantage of 87.5% chance to recoup this loss once it shows, if I get trigger #2 in this sequence with the part of Level 3 Lay Low I can't discuss here. So back to business. I do lay it $220/$110, then parlay 1 to $330/$165, then parlay 2 to $480/$240, then on next 7, I collect this win and now this second Tier is Free rolling, as my initial Level 2 risk $220, Is protected as I put $240 in rack from this 2nd Tier. Plus the $330 in rack from Tier 1 progression. But we don't believe in Trends do we? So this is just a coincidence, so you all keep teaching the math of the game, ROTFLMAO, and boom another 7 shows before the 10. So I won 8 straight bets now. $330 and $480 from both Tier's 1&2 totaling a little over $800 less the juice.

So now what? They say scared money loses. I'm up roughly $800 of a 2u risk to win 1u initially. I know at some point I'm going to lose a BIG wager, and hopefully it appears after the 2nd parlay in the Tier, so at least i break even. I don't pussy out but advance up to Tier 3 which uses the 2nd bet of Tier 2 to start, going parlay, parlay, collect, advance up. So now its $330/$165 to start. A win again, so parlay up $480/$240, boom a Win, parlay up $700/$350, boom I get this win. I same bet after 2 parlays in Tier 3 now lock in Tier 3 i can't lose. Bam I win this bet too $700/$350. Holy Fu*k, thats 12 sevens in a row after I get Trigger 1 to start Tier 1 of lay Low. So now Tier 1 $330, Tier 2 $480, and Tier 3 $700. Im up $1500 from a 2 unit risk.

Well F' it, advance up as I'm remembering last years 91 rolls from the 4 at same casino. So Tier 4 start at 2nd level of Tier 3 so here we go $330/$165. Damn it a Hard 10 on come out. @#$%^&*$%#@, come out at a low whisper, but quickly see that I intuitively threw out a $10 hop H10 on CO roll. A lot of time when this Lost # rolls its on a CO roll. I let my feel for the game, using high HE on 31:1 at times. So I got back $300 of #330 bet. Not bad. So now I'm looking for Trigger 2 of Lay Low to get back my losing bet once that 10 arrived and what i did get was another Trigger 2 rolls before my cut off for this 87.5% bet, so i jumped in early and low and behold, I lost this bet of $300 and the 10 hit on the last roll of my sequence to be patient and wait. Had i not initiated a Trend Bet from another Level of TSC, Level 5 Kill and Collect, I would not of been in action to Lose this bet of $300. So i netted around $1200 after juice and all, not bad for a risk of $150 initially.

But we don't believe in Trends, so lets move on from this Level 5 Kill and Collect bet that Trumped Level 3 Lay Low of TrendSetterCraps. Another fine trend that happened was a Play I use in Kill and Collect, where I predict when the seven will show, based off Indicators. There were 12 sequences that utilized this Kill and Collect on Level Five of Trend Setter Craps and lo and behold it won all 12. But we are taught by the experts not to play Trends but Place bet 6&8 bc they are the lowest house edge HE next to the Pass/Come,Dp/DC bets right? So let me ask you the probability of making 12 straight place bets on a six per shooter and winning 12 straight without a seven showing? Pretty damn tough, I'd have to consult the Wizards of odds to get exact %. Nonetheless, Kill and Collect if played to perfection 12-0 in this 180 roll session. If one is playing say for a $50 win, thats +$600. Wow, all from NEVER shooting the dice. huh, really? never shooting? But we teach DI and smart bets to get an advantage. Yep, never need to tough them. Why fight the casino playing games with switching out to dice they used a year ago during last years WSOP serial numbers?

Well off to look at pool pump as motor is shorted I believe. Urgh. Glad I crushed them Friday.

TrendSetterCraps
TSC

 

Actually, I discovered the bias dice before I ever knew about Harley. A double PhD friend took me aside one day and informed me that the dice as the particular Indian casino where I was playing at that time uses biased dice and asked if I like to go with him to another casino about a half hour away where the dice where much better. On the way over he explained how bias dice work and how the casinos can buy them from the unregulated Mexican dice manufactures and there is no laws or regulations that tell the casinos where they have to by dice from.

Harley is not the only one who makes claims of 'bias craps dice' on the internet, but he is one out of many several Independent serious casino gamblers who is bringing up this issue.

Harley is not saying that 'ALL CRAPS Dice are biased'. Had he made such a claim, I would have written him off as just another kook. He is saying that there is a chance that the dice at any given casino may be biased to some degree and that the players should be cautious. Reasonable advice I think

Suffice it to say, I have talked to other Professional gamblers who play heavily at the Las Vegas Strip Tables who not only know that the dice are biased, but know how work the table in such a way as to profit. Furthermore, I have talked to Casino Craps dealers outside of the casino, in person, who admitted that certain sets of dice 'run cool' and that all the dealers know this and the casino especially knows this. Dealers don't like Bias Dice at all because it greatly reduces the tips, and often empties the tables leaving them standing there with not much to do. To this ends the casinos have to staff half-naked girls as craps dealers with such dice out to just attract players!

 

Sorry to confuse the two of you.

 

Reasonable advice to a CERTAIN extent -

When one becomes OBSESSED with a certain theory -

THAT changes the entire ball game !

MY OPINION !

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"""Harley Lambasts Me Hard"""


Hey what 2 consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes is none of my business

too much info

 

In keeping with normal GTC standards, I want at least 3% royalties ... of course Dom will get his usual 51% or is that $51K ... and Howard gets all PeeWee Herman viewing rights

 

Harley -

For the record and even YOU admit that Howard is a married man -

Your reference to Pee Wee Herman - especially - since YOU are NOT married -

Have had a relationship(s) with males most of YOUR adult life -

Leads ME to QUESTION YOUR sexual preferences -

However - THIS is NOT the proper venue for THAT -

BUT - IT does set off red flags in MY mind as to where YOUR orientation / allegiances lie !

I hear that the weather in 'Frisco is " nice " year round !

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