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Las Vegas Heavy and Dice Coach – Vegas Spring Fling This Spring Dice Coach and I will once again be...

Discussion in 'Las Vegas Forum' started by Heavy, Feb 24, 2015.

  1. Heavy

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    Heavy and Dice Coach – Vegas Spring Fling

    This Spring Dice Coach and I will once again be hosting the Vegas Spring Fling Craps Clinic. This years’ seminar will be the weekend of May 15th – 17th. That’s the weekend AFTER Mother’s Day, for those of you who are concerned about keeping things positive on the home front. I recommend
    roses – and chocolates – and diamonds – and . . . well, you know. If mamma ain’t happy...

    The format for this Friday, Saturday and Sunday event will be much the sameas we’ve used for our last two Vegas seminars – last Summer’s GAC event and November’s Veteran’s Day Craps Reveille.

    As is our tradition, we’ll start out Friday night with a casual meet and greet get together at a location to be announced. It’s a great opportunity to meet the other attendees, plan a little hook-up play for the weekend, and enjoy a little of the ambiance that is exclusively yours in Vegas.

    On Saturday we’ll have two – four hour Advantage Play Craps Classes. The first will run from 8:30 – 12:30 and will focus primarily on Dice Control Toss Training, Tweaks and Alternate Throws. Plan to arrive around 8:15 for coffee and sweet rolls, then we'll hit the practice tables with one of the best coaching teams in the business. Dice Coach and I have over 80 years of experience at the craps tables between us! Learn the sets, grips and tosses that will get the money. This session will be LIMITED to a maximum of ten students in order to afford sufficient one-on-one time for each
    attendee. The cost - $399 per person for the morning session only. Sign up at the following link:


    ]https://www.paypal.com/

    The second session will run from 2PM – 6PM and will focus on additional toss tweaks plus those ever-hot topics – Trend Tracking, Dice Control Betting Strategies and Money Management & Discipline. This ain't your mamma's three-point-molly class. We'll cover the do's and don'ts and the
    when's and why's of betting. You'll learn what to say, how to say it, and the magic phrase that locks up the money - "bring me down." And while this is not specifically a dice toss training class - during our practice sessions we'll be watching your throws, pointing out any flaws we see and giving additional toss tweaks. Again, we’ll LIMIT this class to a maximum of ten students. Your cost - $399 per person for the afternoon session only. Sign up at the following link:

    ]https://www.paypal.com/

    Interested in spending the full day Saturday with the coaches? You'll get the Saturday morning dice control class, the Saturday afternoon betting strategies and more class, and we'll throw in lunch and a little "open table" toss time to boot. Your cost - $795 per person. Sign up for the full day Saturday at this link:

    ]https://www.paypal.com/

    Looking for something a little more advanced? Then make plans to join us in Dice Coach’s craps pit on Sunday morning for our Alumni Player’s Advanced Betting and Roundtable Discussion. This session is limited to Alumni students only. To attend you must have attended an Axis Power Craps or Dice Coach training seminar in the past. If you attend your first class with us on Saturday you WILL be eligible to register for the Alumni session on Sunday. The session will begin at 9AM and will conclude by 12:30PM. Class size will be limited to a max of 10 players. Tuition will be $299 per person. Sign on at the following link:

    ]https://www.paypal.com/

    Want a guaranteed spot at the table with the coaches? On Sunday afternoon we have TWO Live Casino Sessions with the coaches planned. The first session will begin at 2:30PM, followed by a second session at 4:00PM. These will be private table sessions and will only be available to students
    who take at least one dice control session on Saturday. Each live session will be limited to a maximum of ten students. You cannot sign up for just the live casino sessions. Cost of these sessions is as follows:

    One Session - $129 – Sign on at the following link:

    ]https://www.paypal.com/

    Two Sessions - $249 – Sign on at the following link:

    ]https://www.paypal.com/

    Special Discount Deal! Attend BOTH Dice Control Classes on Saturday and BOTH Live Sessions on Sunday for $999.00 – Sign on at the following link:

    ]https://www.paypal.com/

    Full Meal Deal – Discount Special! Attend BOTH Saturday Sessions, the Sunday Alumni/Advanced Session plus BOTH Live Casino Sessions for $1299 per person.

    ]https://www.paypal.com/

    Due to the limited space available for both classes and live sessions we are not offering any additional discounts on this weekend's events. Virtually every event Dice Coach and I do sells out and we expect no less from this one. In fact, the first slot for this class has already been filled! Don’t miss out on your chance to learn from two of the best coaches in the business! Sign up today.

    As always, your tuition covers the cost of the class itself and all associated materials. Attendees are on their own for transportation and accommodations.

    If you prefer to register by phone with a credit card call “Beth”. Be sure to tell her you’re “one of Heavy’s guys/gals.”

    If you prefer to pay by check you can send your payment direct to Heavy. Make your check payable to:

    Steve “Heavy” Haltom
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  2. Harley

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    Well this post has been up over 50 hours and ZERO replies .... I guess most everyone realizes by now the same thing I had to learn the hard way .... I took Heavy's weekend class of teaching the On-axis toss and had nothing but negative results for 6 weeks ... The worst part was I paid extra for a private class with Heavy and Thomas Morgan aka The Irishsetter or irish (http://www.articlesfactory.com/author/Thomas+Morgan+aka+The+Irishsetter.html) .... I tossed them bones worse after Heavy's and irish's class than before I took their class

    Luckily I bumped into Dice Coach at Wynn and he said why don't you come over to my Vegas house and I can fix what Heavy broke ... He did ... Dice Coach is the real thing, but irish and Heavy live in states without real crap games - why take a class from them ?! Dice Coach lives in Vegas and offers classes without the other 2 all year long.

    Heavy proclaims that craps is just a Hobby for him, not a business and he and irish use the mirror method of teaching - look at what I do and do it like me .... Dice Coach on the other hand has an eye for your individual toss and can fix your mechanics

    Dice Coach is also not locked into an On-Axis toss training like Heavy is with his website www.axispowercraps.com/ ... no where can Steve “Heavy” Haltom produce videos of his On-Axis toss to prove that he can keep them On-Axis, despite that he claims he does so in his classes

    If you want to know the truth, see this video and other slo-motion videos on the internet that reveals that the theory of on-axis classes are just smoke and mirrors:


     
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  3. TSC

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    Now that's a cool video. The throw looks perfect while in the air. But that's not how the outcome of axis is determined. It still has to land square, hit the back wall diamond pyramids and create another source of energy on the rebound.

    Picture this. Your driving and your two front tires come off at a slow speed of say 35 mph. Half the speed limit. They come off the car axial and continue to roll right into a wall of dice stacked with corners facing the tires like pointers. I bet those tires just fall back and flop right over perfect right? Or do they do what the dice did on those 4 perfect shots in the video. You make the call. I would love to see some of the PARR expert tosses on slow mo, so we could watch what actually happens when they hit wall and flop back. How many revolutions are the spinning at that point where remarkably they hit an axis face once in a while.

    When my PARR shot was money (so I thought). I could shoot it with the best of them. When it was on point. And i was in a groove both mechanically and energetically, it was scary. Then to see a slow mo vid of that would of told me a lot right then. But I probably would of been too stubborn to listen as the action is happening too fast for the human eye to see its rotating and swirling and going all over the place in the realm of things once you slow it down.

    Anyway cool video. It does answer a lot of questions. The shot looks beautiful.
     
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  4. Heavy

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    Please be aware that the original post in this thread was "harvested" from my website's RSS feed and posted on this forum under my "handle" without my express written consent. Since the site gives attribution and a link back to the original article, and I put my forum out for RSS (Really Simple Syndication) it is not really illegal for this forum's bots to republish my material. However, my preference is to be contacted for permission before someone actually reprints any of my material.

    Most people in my position would say "thanks for the free publicity." However, in this case, posting my material on a forum that I was not a member of provided my old pal Harley a venue to take yet another shot at me. Ordinarily I would not respond on what is essentially an unmoderated forum. I have no interest in getting into yet another flame war with Harley or anyone else. But he opened the can so I guess we'll see what's inside.

    Harley said:

    Heavy proclaims that craps is just a Hobby for him, not a business and he and irish use the mirror method of teaching - look at what I do and do it like me .... Dice Coach on the other hand has an eye for your individual toss and can fix your mechanics

    Dice Coach is also not locked into an On-Axis toss training like Heavy is with his website www.axispowercraps.com/ ... no where can Steve “Heavy” Haltom produce videos of his On-Axis toss to prove that he can keep them On-Axis, despite that he claims he does so in his classes.


    There is very little truth in Harley's statement. Yes, Axis Power Craps, the game itself, and the websites I run are basically a hobby for me. It is a hobby business that kicks off enough income to cover my web hosting expenses, tech fees, time and energy. But it's not where I earn my paycheck. Like most of you, I have a day job. Oh, I'm old enough to retire. I have enough money to retire. In fact, I retired when I was 57, but got bored and went back to work. Now, as I approach 66, I can echo Brad Pitt in The Fury and state that I am working at "The best job I ever had!" This job provides me with an opportunity to travel the length of the Mississippi River, the length of the Missouri River, and every state in between. I travel from the Mexican border to the Canadian border and I've played in every Riverboat casino and most of the joints in between in the states I cover. When I'm home I'm just 88 miles from five of the best casinos in the South. In fact, almost every one of those casinos offer a better game than I can find in Vegas. The idea that you have to live in Vegas to play "real" craps just goes to show how out of touch with reality Harley is.

    By the way, I am not - nor have I ever claimed to be - a professional gambler. I am a "serious recreational gambler" who plays with a validated edge and teaches others how to do the same. I started doing the seminars because the demand was there - and I enjoyed doing them. When it gets to the point that I don't enjoy them any longer I'll hang it up. Meanwhile, as noted above, my next seminar will be in Vegas with Dice Coach the weekend of May 15th.

    Yes, both Irishsetter and I teach an on-axis type throw. Our tosses are similar - but not the same. We routinely demonstrate our tosses as part of our classes because MOST students want to see us toss in class. If a student is starting out from scratch then we'll steer him or her in that direction. We use that toss because we've proven time and again (with many thousands of rolls tracked in BoneTracker) that it's the best for on-axis results. But if a player comes to us with a toss that is fundamentally sound but just needs some minor adjustments (like finger alignment, adjusting thumb position, keeping the wrist straight, or improving posture and focus on the landing zone) we do not completely re-engineer that individuals grip or throw. We simply tweak the flawed elements.

    In the case of Harley's training with us, it was not a case of needing a small adjustment. Yes, he set the dice. Yes, he gripped the dice fairly consistently. It was his toss that was the problem. Harley's insistence on throwing the dice VERY high resulted in excessive dice "splatter" when they hit the deck. There was no evidence of control or influence in his throw. The dice just bounced all over the place. Likewise, such a high toss almost always generates heat from the box man, who does not want the dice thrown above eye level. His response to our suggestion that he not toss so high was more of a whine than a statement. "But I like to toss the dice high." And Irishsetter's response was something along the lines of "Then you'll never be anything more than a random roller." This, of course, did not set well with Harley, and he's been whining ever since.

    Members of my craps forum have, indeed, seen videos of my tosses. Those tosses are not hosted on YouTube, and are only available to members of the forum. Public access to such content is restricted. Harley knows this, of course. It simply suits his purpose to state otherwise.

    I did find is somewhat amusing to see Harley trash me on the one hand, then praise Dice Coach on the other - since Dice Coach and I have been working together on these seminars for over ten years now. And, as happens when you work together for a long time like that - we've both picked up tips from each other that we've incorporated into our individual classes. I think we're both better coaches as a result.

    Others I have done seminars with include Irishsetter (founder of the original dicesetter.com website), Professor Michael Vernon (of Playing4Keeps), Standord Wong (BJ21), Maddog (creator of the BoneTracker roll tracking program), John Patrick (So You Want to be a Gambler?), Howard "Rock 'n Roller (former PARR and GTC Coach and owner of howardrocknroller.com), Jerry Patterson and Sharpshooter (PARR), and Larry Edell (former publisher of The Crapshooter). Yeah, there are others as well. In addition to teaching these seminars - I'll admit to being a die-hard student of the game. Just last week I was exchanging e-mails with a pal of mine - swapping ideas on a couple of new twists on an old hedge strategy we both like.

    So there you go, folks. A "live" post direct from the real Heavy. No doubt we'll hear Harley whine some more now that I've responded. No problem. I'll even give him the last word on this thread. I've said all that needs to be said.

    ~Heavy
     
  5. Harley

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    Heavy, In order to voice my opinion and review of what you do, I do not need a sock puppet or guest to post something. I have never done that - don't need to. Besides, regardless of how you try to restrict and control what other people say about you, the Fair Use Doctrine of the US copyright laws state otherwise that "the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching,... and research." (See http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html )

    Also, as a consumer of both your products and Dice Coach's, I am allowed to write a review that expresses my opinion, no different than what is a driving force on the Amazon website.

    Just because you banned me from posting on your website even though I never violated any of your TOS (Yes, Heavy banned me from his website within hours of him being fired by Ford Motor Co.), that does not prevent me from using material from your website under the Fair Use Doctrine of Sections 107 through 118 of the US copyright law (title 17, U. S. Code).
     
  6. Heavy

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    It appears to me that when Harley doesn't have a fact he just makes one up to suit him. I'm thinking he should run for political office.
     
  7. rongarm10

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    It is quite possible that Harley could possibly do a much better job than the current Prez that we have today. Just sayin, lol.

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    IMO, the Attorney General's office should require Heavy to post this Consumer Warning about his On-Axis classes ...

    [​IMG]
     
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    Or perhaps some "jailhouse perk", lol. Just sayin.
     
  10. Harley

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    Just to clarify, Before I took Heavy's Spring Fling class, I was already listed in GTC's verified world records page - that is rare for a non-GTC member

    With that overall success rate after taking Heavy's class, I would rather gamble my tuition $$ on a random roller

     
  11. MisterAK

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    I agree with your endorsement of Dice Coach. I could play in Lake Tahoe every day if I wished, but I prefer to play in Vegas. Every time I visit Vegas one of my first stops is at Dice Coach's craps pit for a tune up before hitting the casinos. With that said, I have also done tune-ups with Heavy and Howard Rock and Roller. I found them both to be solid individuals who gave good advice on both my toss and betting. Although I have never met Irishsetter, I was a member of his original dicesetter.com website. It was instrumental in my development as a dice influencer. I think his contributions to the craps community go far beyond your experiences - in a very positive way.
     
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    MisterAK had originally planned to be brown hare hunting in Scotland while Heavy and Dice Coach are doing their class in Las Vegas. However, I was informed yesterday that the gamekeeper at the estate where we normally hunt is in hospital in critical condition and has canceled all hunts for the next 90 days. As I have been shopping for a fourth home (fifth residence) in Las Vegas I decided to change my reservations and spend two weeks there instead of in a Scottish hotel with a bad bed and worse food. That means I will be in Las Vegas the weekend of this seminar. I contacted Heavy tonight to discuss an African Gemsbok safari I am planning for later in the year and he signed me up for the Las Vegas seminar on the spot! I will be attending the Sunday Advanced Round Table discussion session plus both live casino sessions. Thank you for posting the original post, administrator. You and Harley helped me make an important decision. I was lucky to get in the class as it is almost sold out. Unfortunately, the PayPal links in your post do not function properly. The original announcement can be linked to at [Admin Edit: Link removed. Commercial Links not allowed.].
     
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    ... and if you want to get the same lessons cheaper, you can call Howard Rock n' Roller either before or after that very same weekend in Vegas and you will not have to listen to as much BS
     
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    Howard Rock 'n Roller is a classy individual. There is a good chance I will hook up with him for a session while I am in Las Vegas. He has a wonderful table - a real casino quality table and not some shop-built piece of crap like some people keep in their homes. Honestly, I am surprised to hear you promoting his classes considering the verbal abuse you and a companion dealt him at a recent chance meeting in Las Vegas. Wasn't there a police report filed against a friend of yours for physically threatening Howard a while back? Yes. That is public information available from the police department. It was also captured on the casino's cameras. This is why I am concerned for your mental health, your obsessive/compulsive behavior, and your animosity toward others. I fear you are setting a dangerous course. Please seek mental health treatment now before it is too late.
     
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    What does your lies have to do with craps? All you have done on this board is attack Harley!
     
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    MisterAK is in Quebec this week preparing for a wild turkey hunt. I am taking a party of three U.S. hunters into the bush. All are bow hunters and we will take our limit with bow and arrow. Hunting wild turkey is a waiting game, much like playing the Don'ts at craps.

    Superrick, do you have a day job these days? There must be plenty of elevators around Las Vegas that need attention. At least you have a marketable skill. What skill does Harley possess? Oh yes. He can spin dice that are improperly loaded in a bargain basement dice caliper and declare that the dice tested are biased. There is, of course, video on YouTube disproving his biased dice theory. However, individuals like Harley and you suffer from the same weakness as a lot of players who would like to be DI's. You make your way to the tables with your pitiful bankrolls, hang around like fleas in hopes of getting in on a decent hand, and end up going home with your tails tucked between your legs. You cannot succeed at dice influencing, so you have to blame it on something other than your inability to manage a controlled throw and manage your money. I understand it is not easy to survive on $21,000 a year from Social Security disability. You have created an imaginary HILL to climb and you have convinced yourself it is insurmountable. Your problem is, as Heavy likes to say, "the crap between your ears."

    What surprises me is the fact that there are a handful of individuals who consider themselves "friends" of Harley's. Clearly this circle of friends is shrinking due to his descent into madness, but you are to be commended. You and his friend from New Jersey, who gave Harley's home as his address on the police report after threatening Howard awhile back, are among them. But you must remember that Harley's brain does not function like a normal person's. Brain trauma has effected his thinking and turned him into a paranoid, obsessive compulsive. It's not his fault. I think we should all make a contribution to the Brain Trauma Organization in his name. But it is just a matter of time before he turns on YOU.

    How will your friend Harley act if he discovers, for example, that you revealed certain personal information about him to Heavy? Like Harley's home address, his medical history, and his soon-to-be homeless situation? Or that his "real" first name is really an alias? Not that you did ALL of that. I am just speaking rhetorically. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rhetorically I post that link because that's a word that is probably not in your vocabulary.

    So what does all of this have to do with craps, you asked? Well, a craps game has a "right way" to play and a "wrong way" to play. Harley has chosen to play the wrong way. He walks on the dark side. I simply am playing the opposite side and trying to catch a hand.
     
  17. $nakeEye$

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    we ALL know that Harley is mentally challenged and needs " Professional Help " -

    WHY do YOU continually stand up for him WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT WE KNOW ? -

    Like you confided to me on the phone -

    Harley is NOT the sharpest pencil / crayon in the box -

    Granted - we ALL know THAT -

    However - even though your vocabulary / sentence structure and spelling are definitely lacking -

    YOUR GOOD WILL EFFORTS are primary to your secondary misguided allegiance to mental midgets !

    And THAT IS MY OPINION ! CIAO'

    $...eE..$
     
  18. superrick

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    Snakeeyes you are lying once again, the only thing we talked about was you saying that you had a cop buddy of yours in Metro run Harley's name to get his real name which is illegal to do. So I asked my neighbor about a police officer doing someone a favor and running a name, he is high up in Metro and wanted your name after he told me that is was illegal to do.


    I gave you a courtesy phone call so I could find out if you actually had someone run Harley's name because I didn't want a police officer to get suspended without pay or worst yet fired. You backed down and tried to get out of that lie. You said that you would apologize to Harley on the board if I didn't give up your name, that never happened and now you are lying about me.


    So when I do get back to Vegas I'm going to have a long talk with my neighbor once again about you saying that you had your buddy run Harley's name.


    I loved your above quote because it applies to you. I extended my good will to you, but with all your lies you didn't deserve it!



    Once again you are not adding anything to this board but lies!
     
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    SuperRick - o_O -

    On the contrary -

    You are mis-guided in your beliefs -

    AND - WHAT you SAY -

    One can ONLY imagine - in light of the above facts - how mis-guided you ALSO are in your craps imbalanced dice beliefs ! :eek:

    Unfortunately, this forum does NOT allow me to highlight the numerous instances where your above post is erroneous !

    $...eE..$
     
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    Of course you can (respectfully) point out the errors in other posts, as long as you do so without insulting other members. This goes for everyone.
     
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